I’m tired of supporting instances that support that trash. Are there any suggestions or even a good up-to-date list available?

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[–] 55 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Just add it to your block list. No need to change instances.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Oh sheesh stop acting like a baby. If you don't want to read something then don't read it.

    Re infosec.pub: I just logged in and checked, and I can see .ml communities from here.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    I don’t want to support something that allows those assholes.

    Do you tell people that don’t want to support companies that support oppressive laws to stop being a baby?

    You can fuck all the way off with your bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago*

    The newest post on the privacy community on lemmy.ml is 10 months old when viewed on infosec.pub. There are posts from today when you view the same community on any other instance.

    Defederation doesn't remove communities, it just stops updating them. The local copy remains viewable and intractable, but it will not send or receive changes to any other instance. The posts you can see are old posts from before they defederated.

    Infosec blocks ml. They are defederated. Lemmy has some severe UX issues related to defederation. Blocked communities look plausibly like extant ones even though they're not.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Not on Lemmy really, maybe on piefed. That said it may be easiest to pick an instance and just block it from your client.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago

    Lemmy.cafe is defederated with .ml, Hexbear, and Lemmygrad.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Based on @zedstrian@sopuli.xyz's post, it looks like the only large instance that defederates lemmy.ml is infosec.pub . I have no specific knowledge of that instance though.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    When accounting for several other relatively large instances I didn't include in my original chart, fedia.io and lemmy.cafe also defederate lemmy.ml.

    Expanding on @rimu@piefed.social's point, the Piefed instances piefed.social and feddit.online silence lemmy.ml.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    ml is the dev instance. you're supporting it by using lemmy. so really you should look for software that doesn't federate with any lemmy instances.

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    on an instance that federates with lemmy. also, idk if that's better really.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

    Biased bc I'm a piefed user but I think piefed is far better

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    even with the built-in censors and autoblocks? :/

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (11 children)

    Everyone makes a big deal out of that as if most of it isn't ml stuff like OP is talking about and/or stated upfront on Piefed's website. Mastodon instances have other instances they don't federate with too.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

    it is now. because people made a stink about it not being there. and even so it's still not detailed. a few of the big things is stuff like ocr-ing every image post to figure out if it's from a chan board, auto-hiding anything tagged with "meme", adding a hidden second layer of "trustworthiness" scoring to every user independent of the score of their posts and comments which pushes them up or down the comment chain, and pushing/pulling those trustworthiness scores from a server periodically.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    In the past Lemmy also had some hard-coded censorship. One could also say "it got deleted for now"

    ocr-ing every image post to figure out if it’s from a chan board

    Configurable by admin. Choose an instance that does not do this

    auto-hiding anything tagged with “meme”

    If I understand correctly what you mean, this is also configurable by instance admins. Choose an instance that does not do this

    adding a hidden second layer of “trustworthiness” scoring to every user independent of the score of their posts and comments which pushes them up or down the comment chain, and pushing/pulling those trustworthiness scores from a server periodically

    From what I've seen, in general in order to get below the threshold that blocks something one really has to work for it. And I haven't noticed the score affecting where comments are placed. Also, one can choose to have comments sorted by time

    As for vote quota - choose an instance that set it impossibly high

    In exchange on Piefed there are

    • feeds. Private and shared (with federation)
      You can gather all communities you want to be in your private "cats" feed and those will be there, regardless if it makes sense or not. It's feed curated by you. Or you can follow someone's public feed and rely on their curation
    • better notifications. You can turn them on for feeds, people, posts, comments...
    • rolling together comments from posts about the same link
    • I'm fuzzy on the details but some time ago I've heard that the personal blocking works better on Piefed. IIRC once you block an instance/account you won't be seeing it
    • following microblogging accounts
    • adding tags to your posts, so those get visible on microblogging fediverse too

    I get that some of Rimu's decisions or reactions might have risen some eyebrows. But I moved to Piefed because of it's features and those have been threadiverse-changers for me

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    if you check the link, by default you start out untrusted.

    as for features, i don't really see the point of most of them except blocking and community merging, because the threaded model is pretty much incompatible with linear feeds. mbin does it better and without the baggage.

    and yes, of course lemmy has censorship systems. the profanity filter especially is a weird choice. but the codebase is much less opinionated than piefeds. reading it, i get the impression piefed was written in anger.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    if you check the link, by default you start out untrusted.

    Well, we can agree to disagree here but I do think this is a good idea ATM. When I see an account posting slop, seo spam or links to stuff that IMO shouldn't exist in the first place, it's always an account "registered today-ish". They might change their MO with time but for now, even with requiring an application message, a new account is often a cat in a bag. Having this slow introduction makes it a bit harder to create harassment accounts in high volume

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    i'm not saying that it's a bad idea per se, just that with the way the score is calculated you can become trusted in less than a second if you're a bot while humans can take like a week.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Even with positive score you'd still be under new account timer. Personally I feel that this score means much less than many make out of it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    it was the fact that it was undisclosed that was the main issue. i imagine most people assume that when there's a public scoring system, posts with high scores are trustworthy (or to put my finger on it, aligned with the prevailing opinion) and posts with low scores are not. finding out that no, actually some users' experience is weighted according to the whim of, in their mind, just some guy, suddenly the whole concept of trust (alignment) on the platform goes out the window.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Idk about the tag thing. I do know of the chan board thing and I mean fuck those places, I don't particularly mind. The trustworthiness score tho is different, pls do tell.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    the only places chan board images show up here is in greentext communities so that's already a curated feed. as for the score, details are here.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    As an mbin fan, I've been liking fedia.io.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    I think beehaw recently defederated from ml, and I like it here a lot :)

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    AFAIK, beehaw.org has recently defederated from the 3rd big tankie instance, which is why I'm here.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    I'm real happy over here.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Sadly my instance blocks them, would love to see their Linux memes.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    You’re not missing anything.

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    I’m new here, can someone catch me up on the lore?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    .ml is an entire instance full of propaganda spreading pro Russia/China bullshit. There’s a few communities that have documented their bullshit with proof such as MeanwhileOnGrad if you’re interested.

    Several instances have defederated (essentially blocked) from them, while others don’t have the balls to.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Can you give an example of that "bullshit" or is it just opinions that make your poor Western mind feel sad thoughts?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That Russia isn't a fascist state and isn't an imperialist shit hole that aligned itself with the Nazis at the beginning of WW2 in order to accomplish its imperialist goals. Or that it hasn't been the source of atrocities for generations. Or that it's a better alternative than the west.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Ah, that explains why I’ve seen some folks jump way too quickly to accuse other people of being tankies, there’s some community baggage I wasn’t aware of, lol

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Yeah. It’s not that they jump too quickly with the accusations, it’s that they either have dealt with the clowns before, or it’s the same modus operandi that they’re used to dealing with.

    Many instances have that trash blocked, but sadly- these kids are allowed to to make alts on other instances to where they can spread their bullshit. Some of them even make communities on instances that have their home instance blocked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    It’s not that they jump too quickly with the accusations

    Nah, I’ve been called a tankie here already, and I’m definitely not. I was just stating an opinion that was further left than the person I was talking to, lol

    But broadly speaking, yeah I get what you’re saying

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I mean are you paying money for them, when you say supported?

    Or you just registered here.

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