"You can't handle the truth!"

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[–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

.ml is pretty explicit on their "about us" page that they have a specific political orientation and will censor dissenting opinions.

Now you have learned. Plenty of other instances that aren't as heavily censored.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    It boils down to β€œthis is a choir that only preaches to itself. Facts aren’t allowed here. And will be removed if we don’t like it.”

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Choirs don't preach, the metaphor sort of falls apart like that. Maybe "A church that only preaches to its own choir" would be better.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    That’s how fucking stupid they are. Get it now?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I got what you were saying, I was just giving a better way to play off the "preaching to the choir" idiom.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    .ml bans are a badge of honor. Welcome.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
    [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

    lemmy.ml is filled with people who sort the instance by new comments and hit the F5 button nonstop. It's why there is such quick and violent hate the moment you do not pay attention to where you are in All and make a random, unimportant comment.

    when I first got on lemmy, I went to .ml since that is where the devs were. I figured that it would be nice to be on the most updated instance. I didn't know what ML was. I lasted very little time before running away. It's shocking how insecure and angry people are there.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I was on Lemmy for about a month before I figured out the whole .ml thing. I'm honestly surprised it took that long.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    Same. For my first month here I thought tankies were MAGA. To the untrained eye, it can be easy to confuse the two, until you look again. They're just as ignorant and dumb.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    To the untrained eye indeed. Horseshoe theory is the go to for anyone too lazy to try to actually learn anything about history or politics that's not drip fed by their corporate overlords.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They are virtually the same when it comes to how loathsome they are. The biggest difference is one of them has the strength of conviction to stand on their ignorance and commit to it, the other just likes to play pretend on the internet.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Remarkably how accurately you describe yourself.
    Ameriremoved blue MAGA selfrightious hypocrites supporting their imperialist cancer state as long as they're not bothered in their banana republic.
    While at least red MAGAts proudly defend their evils.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    Congrats! Mentioning China AND Palestine in one comment, oooh .ml must have been so upset.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Oh it's another one of these. For as long as you're on .ml, China, Russia and North Korea are incapable of doing any wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Noo, why did you post this? Now they're all in here!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Two cars crash.... Bam!. The police shows up. Not to help either driver. They show up to get the accident cleared so Jeff Bezos can keep selling and shipping shit on Amazon.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    What a coincidence, I got banned from world_news@lemmy.world for exactly the opposite reason.

    It wasn't even something I brought up at all, I said something completely unrelated and someone started hounding me about it and demanding an answer, and I said that I hadn't seen sufficient evidence to conclude it was a genocide.

    Then a mod posted some links, and I asked, "before I go through these, if I ctrl+F "Zenz" how many hits am I gonna get?" and that's when I got banned. I did go through them anyway, and the answer was 18.

    I had also made a comment explaining how claims don't get to magically subvert the normal process of scrutiny just because they involve the word "genocide," and how, if anything, more extreme claims should be subject to greater scrutiny, not less. That comment was removed for "genocide denialism."

    So, nowadays, I've learned my lesson, that as long as I'm on .world, all claims of genocide must be accepted unquestionably, regardless of evidence. You could tell me that France is genociding Belgians or that Morrocans are genociding Kansans, whatever, and I won't question or deny it. After all, basing your beliefs on evidence means that you're just blindly following, uh, whoever the claims happen to be about this time, which probably makes you an authoritarian tankie. You have to accept all negative claims about US geopolitical adversaries, without question, to be a free-thinking anti-authoritatian.

    However, my ban wasn't for 30 days, it was permanent. "You can't handle the truth" indeed.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago*

    .ml is a authoritarian bootlicking shithole. I’d advise everyone to block that instance the moment they make a new account.

    This gift wrapped itself for you, OP. Take it one step further and block those assholes entirely. Then, when you wonder…. β€œWhere did all the Russian psyop bullshit go?”

    You’ll know.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    ml is a tumor on the federation

    1000004728

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Welcome to the club of normal people.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    The misconception is with what these pages are. They are not public forums. They are the personally dictated and directed blog of the moderators, they allow the public to contribute but have final say on publishing.

    Once you realize these are ignorant kids blogs it makes sense that you would get banned for trying to have a discussion instead of perpetuating whatever world view they are trying to spew.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    your post is just whataboutism lol

    enjoy crying about a temp ban from a single comm

    byeeee

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Yet Hexbear cries constantly about how they hate that .world defederated from them. Are AuthComs aware of their hypocrisy or are you guys just that steeped in your own reality you can't tell what's real anymore?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Really seeing (yet another) coordinated campaign against .ml. If all you can stomach is liberal slop, why don't you just go back to reddit, where you'll never have to encounter any politics to the left of your own?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Neat...I got banned from an .ml channel for critizicing a mod that was minimizing '86 GOP horrors by saying they were to the left of modern dems.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Just remember, everything you don't like is a CIA psyop

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Getting banned used to be a badge of shame meaning you were a bigot or troll.

    Now it just means the mods don't like your opinion.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    A ton of people, mainly leftist, have an issue where their ideology starts and ends at "AMERICA BAD"

    I think Hasan is a good example of this as he has defended China and Russia and didn't stop to think about why. Is Russia good? Is China good?

    If you do defend them, whatever. But don't do it without a good grounding as to why. You can never define yourself by only saying what you're not.

    You first need to find out what you ARE. Who are you? What do you stand for? What are your grounding, foundational beliefs and values?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Not that he needs defending, but I do think Hasan does have a more nuanced opinion on China regarding authoritarian and imperialist practices based on more recent interviews, but he doesn't incorporate that into his mainstream persona so people think he likes more than their coherent economic policy and even worse people seem to feel more justified in holding positions excusing authoritarianism and imprialism if it means a communist economic agenda is enacted.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    How much of a leftist can one really be if they are stuck comparing the "quality" of nation states without mentioning that they shouldn't exist at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    A ton of people, mainly leftist, have an issue where their ideology starts and ends at β€œAMERICA BAD”

    Lmao. Nah, that's the (obviously, painfully true) statement where you already stop listening because you don't want to admit it's true without a thousand caveats. I've never met a socialist who couldn't elaborate, rightly or wrongly, in their many issues with political systems they support, let alone those they don't.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    .ml is Lemmy's snowflake instance.

    I get that some people just start out there as they enter the Lemmiverse and aren't part of the stereotype, but clearly so many .ml users are snowflake troll braindead NPCs that it's become a pattern that can't be ignored and that we're pretty much all aware of at this point.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Spread horseshit propaganda, get banned. I'm not seeing the problem.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Y'all are literally a propaganda instance, it's in your fuckin rules kid.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    "No u"

    Fantastic display of rhetoric

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    He of the bitch brigade. Y'all are fuckin predictable.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I shit myself and then you scrunched up your nose. Heh, how predictable. I'm so smart.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 weeks ago*

    Is that all you've got?

    I cut propaganda constantly. I also happen to know the definition of the word propaganda and that there is nothing inherently wrong with persuasive speech.

    However, using propaganda to push falsehoods about the global south and sustain an oppressive mode of production is unethical. Which is what liberals do.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    These are the people that downvote that shithole being called out. It helps to point out the .mls that have .world accounts.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Most of the active ones do and use them for sock puppet brigades to make their batshit takes look popular.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yep. I see a lot of the same accounts brigading posts and comments. Most mods/admins won’t bother doing the work necessary to weed out these assholes.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    β€œYou can’t handle the truth!”

    Adrian Zenz, Rushan Abbas, and the USAGM are the furthest thing from the truth.

    It’s never too late to develop some actual media literacy instead of parroting imperial core talking points.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Parroting imperial core talking points? I dig a little in your post history and you're in there with "Ukrainians are nazis" and "Western media" screenshots without attributions?

    The Wikipedia page on the genocide of the Uighurs has 419 citations and yet you deny it.

    Cry harder, little bitch.

    edit: Wow, the links that follow surely aren't handpicked examples! I am TOTALLY convinced China is not genociding against the Uighurs and Russia is not genociding against Ukraine now!

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  • [+] -8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Since you asked so nicely about that meme, here are the links you asked for.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    I checked the two links toward BBC articles:

    One says children are fighting both sides (with Ukrain for some, for Russia for some others). It is terrible, but doesn't make a point favorable to any of the sides.

    The other one claims that about 5% of ukrainian fighters are far-rightists ; which is few given the score of far-right in Europe, but doesn't make the country a fascist one. Actually, the article you give as source denies this russian claim against Ukrain.

    I don't know which of the other links support your view, this two ones don't. Also, I don't know the other websites you use as sources, so I can't guess if they are reliable. I am too lazy to check them all, which of your links seems the most relevant to you?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It’s never too late to develop some actual media literacy instead of parroting imperial core talking points.

    Using your own voice, say this into a recording device, then play it back and see if you can understand how .ml users sound to the rest of us.

    Also understand that it isn't really .ml user's proclivity for conspiracy theories and pretty....uhhh...interesting political opinions that have earned them the reputation they have. It's their behavior. It's the way they treat others. It's the censoring of others on their instance. It's their refusal to accept anyone else's more moderate views.

    Like I said. You guys have earned your reputation.

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  • [+] -17 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    There are shorter and easier ways to make sure everyone knows that your complete lack of critical thinking skills has led to you outsourcing all thinking to billionaire owned media.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    "Only I can critically think." - Every .ml User

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (11 children)

    I have an open mind. Please, go ahead and explain why it's okay for China to commit crimes against humanity? Why is it okay for a government to oppress any group of human beings for any reason?

    Please, don't just get mad and run away. I want to hear you out, because my mind simply cannot comprehend how you can justify this. Help me understand your mindset without resorting to whataboitism.

    The floor is yours.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Please, go ahead and explain why it's okay for China to commit crimes against humanity? Why is it okay for a government to oppress any group of human beings for any reason?

    First you cite a source for that allegation that doesn't, if you track back to its original source, come from ETIC or a similar separatist/terrorist organization, a delusional Christian Nationalist in Austria who believes God wants him to destroy communism and calls himself an expert on China despite not being able to speak or read any Chinese, or a CIA funded NGO with a history of backing regime change operations.

    While you're at it you can come up with a good explanation why every Muslim country that's investigated the matter has determined China is not committing crimes against humanity against a Muslim population, but is doing exactly what they said, operating a highly successful anti extremism program that's drastically reduced Wahabbist terrorism in the space of a generation, and created education and employment opportunities all across the region.

    Then you can explain Col Lawrence Wilkerson's 2018 address to the Ron Paul Institute, and how that doesn't make absolutely any accusations against China with respect to Xinjiang incredibly suspicious. Also how China has managed to perform the first genocide in history without a commensurate refugee crisis, or how China is so much better at infosec than Isntreal that there aren't any videos of the supposed genocide occurring. I mean, we've seen what a live-streamwd genocide looks like in real time, why is the best evidence of China's supposed crimes a bunch of grainy photos that have been persuasively debunked?

    If you establish that China is actually doing crimes against humanity we can talk about it. But starting from a position of "western media narratives don't need evidence" is proof of exactly the kind of critical thinking failure (or lack of critical thinking in the first place) that I was talking about.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    First you cite a source for that allegation that doesn't, if you track back to its original source, come from ETIC or a similar separatist/terrorist organization, a delusional Christian Nationalist in Austria who believes God wants him to destroy communism and calls himself an expert on China despite not being able to speak or read any Chinese, or a CIA funded NGO with a history of backing regime change operations.

    Prove that, all of what you just said for every source on the uyghur genocide wiki page. I'll wait.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    No,nthats not how that works. I've said every one of them is citing one of those primary sources. Now you either pull up one that isn't or concede the point. You're the one making wild accusations of human rights abuses. Why can't you find a single primary source that isn't spurious western bullshit?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Wildly corroborated accusations. Fuck off genocide apologist.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Corroborated by the same three untrustworthy primary sources and amplified by billionaire owned media. Fuck off Imperialism apologist.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Article a cited as a source for article b which is cited as a source for article c which is cited by article a and so on. That counts as proof somehow.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    And dipshit liberals believe that this proves the allegations in Article D, which doesn't even bother citing articles A-C and just relies on "the well known behavior of the subject of all those articles"

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    And yet you'll gobble up RT agitprop like it's fuckin candy. You people are clowns. Like the fuckin losers who were libertarians in high school and never learned that it's a fuckin joke ideology for dumb privileged kids. You're certainly intellectually on the same level.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Nobody mentioned Russia, Jan. You're obsessed and it's sad and pathetic. The liberal horse shit under discussion is the baseless nonsense idea that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang. If I'm so dumb, it should be insanely easy for you to meet my challenge: find a primary source for your assertions.

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