Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
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You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
You've always been this way and it's taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK again...
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40% undecided.
got a loicense for that opinion, mate?
Yeah, the U.S. sucks but people from the U.K. can shut the fuck up about it.
American here. People from everywhere and anywhere can say whatever they want about the US. If that makes you feel bad, you can log off and not read the comments.
I love a lot of things about this country, I work hard and am actively working towards trying to make the America around me less shitty. But the comments and criticisms on America and the people that live here and who is in power are valid. Don't like it, fine and you may fuck off and go do something productive.
Not the unprovoked bombing of a school?
January 6th?
Minab school attack, Iran, killing 156 people including 120 children.
Federal immigration agents have shot at least 25 people, killing 9 (including US citizens Renee Good.
The 1985 bombing of a neighborhood in Philadelphia by police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
The 1968 Chicago police riot.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/aug/19/the-whole-world-is-watching-chicago-police-riot-vietnam-war-regan
The fuck you mean "if"?!
Rest of the world's got news for you folks.
The people that I've unfortunately talked to that either support or don't condone it do not care that this is "barbaric". They condone violence, and they want more of it.
You cannot shame or reason with these people. American religious conservatism is a cancer and you cannot reason with or shame with a cancer.
Hegseth should get life in prison. What an arrogant twat he is.
He's a traitor and there is a punishment for treason that is spelled out clearly so everyone knows. That's what he deserves.
No. Prison isn't for punishment. It's for corrections. You can't correct someone by punishment.
He's a sick man that needs to he separated by society and put in a faculty with the best therapy until he's able to return to society without harming others. Depending on how far gone he is, that could be years to life.
The people in power have nothing to gain from stopping it. The people who are NOT in power have everything to gain from stopping it- but the cowards choose not to.
but the cowards choose not to.
While there are definitely vast amounts of cowards, do bare in mind that propaganda (i.e. turning on the tv in that country) and isolation (union-busting and other anti-organizational tactics) make average Joe feel like they can't change anything by themselves.
Which is true, bust most muricans don't realize they can achieve quite a bit if they organize.
Of course they'd have to care about their neighbors and get off their obese individualists asses first...
You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration camps...
Imprisoning Trump and his goons wont make a difference. Treason and mass murder need to be dealt with in a permanent way.
We've been a barbaric nation for a while. It's just on full display now. This display of violence changes nothing.
I’ve been waiting 40 years now for that leftward swing.
Best we’ve done so far is Obama passing a heritage foundation free market based “healthcare” system.
the US has streamed several executions already. they just happened to be extrajudicial carried out by police/ICE
Those were streamed incidentally, not officially.
When police body cameras are always on and you execute someone, you're not streaming it "accidentally". You know you have a camera on your body while you murder someone and choose to do it anyway.
This is a really odd argument that I can't understand, there is a categorical difference between an official broadcast of a scheduled execution and the video from a police body camera being released following the police killing someone. I don't understand how you can say they are the same thing, whether the cop remembers in the moment they have a camera on is irrelevant. Capturing an incident as part of routine recording and then releasing that video after the fact is not at all like scheduling an execution and broadcasting it live for the world to watch.
I don’t understand how you can say they are the same thing
The people doing the killing knows the cameras are on, watching their actions. And they go ahead and kill someone anyway.
Just because the US justice system hides tax payer paid public servants from concealing their lawfully required body cam footage is a US justice problem. But the cops know they're being recorded at all times and they'll kill an unarmed civilian anyway.
I am not following. From my perspective, the people doing the killing are in very different circumstances and the purpose of the cameras are completely different. The message being sent with an execution being conducted like this seems completely different than the message being sent when there is a release of bodycam footage showing police killing someone.
Police body cameras don't stream. It is a closed system.
Sure. But they definitely know they're being recorded when they execute someone.
The country was literally built on genocide and slavery. OP, Remove the "if" and replace the comma with a period.
I wonder how much of this is motivated by his name being Hasan lol like obviously there's more to it but they're going so hard on Piker rn that executing a dude named Hasan on live television feels particularly motivated.
Hasan Piker fans really need to make everything about him...
They want to label this as a traitous attack and normalize public (live streamed) executions for anyone they consider a traitor, which means against this administration.
It is very important for serious reasons, and not because a twitch streaming nepo baby who go his start interning for his uncle podcast named after people who committed the Armenian genocide, happens to have the same last name.
If you give a shit, stop watching streamers and actually learn about politics.
Hasan Piker fans really need to make everything about him...
Not a fan, and his fans aren't the ones making everything about him right now.
I think its kinda disingenuous to act like it has nothing to do with it. These are the same people who feel the need to emphasize "Hussein" being Obama's middle name because racism.
Hasan is popular. His politics are growing in popularity with the public. The right wing is ginning up hate against him and people like him. His name being Hasan is quite important when you're enflaming the racists.
a twitch streaming nepo baby who go his start interning for his uncle podcast named after people who committed the Armenian genocide,
Ok which one of us is obsessed with Hasan?...and how is this relevant?
If you give a shit, stop watching streamers and actually learn about politics.
Again, I think you're mad at someone who isn't even here right now. Please stop assuming you know me. It kinda just seems like you're a terminally online leftie who hates Hasan or something. Go outside lol
He was active duty military that opened fire on other active duty military on a military base...
Not that the last name is common with a fucking streamer
"like obviously there's more to it"
Hey pal, 👆 that's me in my original comment beating you to the punch on this. You can intentionally miss the point all you want but you're just shadowboxing.
We get it, you hate Hasan. Very brave.
We get it, you hate Hasan. Very brave.
Anyone else ever notice how Piker and trump supporters sound alike after 3 replies?
Like, even your "his popular" excuse, substitute the names and I'd bet most people couldn't tell which person was being defended...
It's crazy so many people can't see the same fucking grift.
Like, you legitimately can't look at your last replies and see the similarities?
If you give a shit, stop watching streamers and actually learn about politics.
People do grow and change. I'm a pretty old fart and Hasan Piker seems to me to be a generational talent. His knowledge of politics and political theory is pretty deep. Don't hate just because of his platform of choice. He's trying to bring class awareness and political education to the younger generation and doing a pretty good job of it.
So, just because he's a streamer and related to Cenk(he has no control over who his family is), it does not mean he isn't doing good and serious work.
It's almost as if you've never watched any of his youtube videos, which are edited for time and relevance.
Hasan Piker seems to me to be a generational talent
No, he was the nepo nephew of The Young Turks founder...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
A media organization literally named after people who overthrew their government to commit a genocide....
His uncle put him on air, then bankrolled him into the early days of twitch.
He is not grassroots, he did not got popular because of talent or political opinions.
He is an outrage machine and rather than complain about literal fascists running our country and supporting genocides worldwide, he uses his platform to make people not want to vote for the literal only option in our political system
At best he's a narcissist that just wants views, at worst he's intentionally trying to prevent progress.
Fucking think for yourself and stop repeating twitch streamers.
I guess I don't understand why the name Young Turks is supposed to be automatically disqualifying or something? Ana is Armenian herself. If that was so disqualifying, you'd think she would be noping out or calling for a name change?
So ad homs are a reason why he's not a generational talent? Are you a Zionist or something?
at worst he’s intentionally trying to prevent progress.
Yeah that's unhinged. He wants health care for all, a living wage at least, equal rights, an end to American war mongering, green energy, etc...
Trump also says he wants to help people...
If someone (correctly) pointed out he's just grifting, would you label that an "ad hom" and say that we have to take him at 100% sincerity?
Because that wouldn't make any logical sense. When someone shows you who they are repeatedly, no one else is going to be able to pull your head out of the sand.
Just please don't get manipulated into not voting in the Dem primaries, there's literally no reason not to it doesn't obligated you to vote in the general, but it stops neoliberals and actually helps progressives.
We passed the “barbaric” marker a long time ago.
The United States is turning into the very same countries we love to bomb for doing such things.
You want to know what a Christian Nation looks like? Well, here you go.
To be fair the veneer of a country that has been built on genocide (even if not entirely completed) and slavery hasn't been too thick to begin. I am not throwing stones though, coming from Austria. But at least here more people are aware that the own history hasn't been so glorious after all.
Osama Bin Laden won.
The main goal of 9/11 was to destabilize the United States.
It worked too well.
We don't bomb countries for doing such things, or we'd be bombing Saudi Arabia and Israel. We give military support to countries that do such things, so long as the spice flows, and we bomb countries where the spice doesn't flow, even if they don't do those sorts of things.
You must not have been paying attention with what's going on in Iran the last 10 years up till now.
I always thought their oath of allegiance, done every day in school, sounded so much like something kids in North Korea would be forced to do.
This is just another thing to add to the pile.
The fuckheads in office raided a sitting Democratic rep's house for immigration papers from three fucking years ago! The brown shirts have thrown legal citizens in concentration camps, they've kidnapped people and have done so with zero consequences. They are going to sell tickets to EXECUTE someone on live tv (who I might add is in a wheelchair). We are far passed barbaric.
It just means mask has slipped.
White phosphorus and cluster bombs are still used by the US.
Meanwhile the list of fuckery is so long it's hard to pick a starting point.
IF?!?!?!
Too late, we already have a history of selling merchandise for public lynchings

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