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You see, they took the efforts to replicate Microsoft excel experience.
Excel is the 7th ring of hell
What level is Teams?
Satan just asked god to add new layers of hell.
And Libreoffice is great. I got through grad school using it. I had to look up a lot of the button locations and formulas but not having Onedrive hork up everything made it all worth it.
Same. LibreOffice and Latex
LaTeX, really? Its like evil markdown.
If you want to typeset math, yes really. And IMO formatting control in LaTeX is unmatched and then some in word processors.
Plus TikZ is incredible.
Switched to Typst and love it. I’d say I use LibreOffice much less because of Typst.
At least "back in my day" there was no alternative if you wanted to write a paper (or a thesis).
Even in undergrad, I swear using good LyX templates nets you half a grade just for beautiful presentation. And if you throw Zotero in there for the automated citation management, it's glorious for research papers.
No. If you format aomething in latex it will look like you want. Word and even libre writer will just mess up formatting at the slightest inconvenience
It's mark-phd-down, that's why it's not easy to start with.
Overall Libre Office works fantastic. My only gripes is inserting an image into a document is way worse than word still, but overall it's only a mild inconvenience.
Word only gets worse each update, and libre just gets better each update
I agree with the image thing, I'm taking courses that require a lot of screenshots to be put into documents and it's a bit annoying to do. Although, I get the feeling that it's difficult because the goal is to give you more control and consistent results, rather than to "be easy". I've had a ton of difficulty dealing with Microsoft office and images as well, but that is usually after the image is in there and I want to fine tune it. Also, I can grab an odt file from 15 years ago and it's laid out exactly the same as when I first made it, I can't open up a docx from two years ago without word messing up some part of the formatting.
For anyone not already aware, there was a push in the early 2000s to require government documents to be in a standard format rather than giving a specific vendor (Microsoft) unfair advantage (official government endorsement). LibreOffice (OpenOffice at the time) used the standardized ODF format, which should've pushed many European governments to switch to an open source office suite. Instead, Microsoft bribed a bunch of people to push through their "OOXML" format as a standard, even though it was just a snapshot of Office's behavior, bugs and all.
There is another twist to this in that the OOXML format didn't actually define the bugs in the format and MS Office itself didn't actually follow the officially defined specification they pushed through. This inevitably led to every product that tried to make use of the official spec (e.g. Open Office) failing to be compatible with MS Office. It took the open source devs many years to properly duplicate the buggy mess that is the real MS Office formats.
"... an AI slop version of Microsoft Office that doesn't fucking work" also known as Microsoft Office 365
I disagree, their efforts don't go unnoticed. Their recent no-AI claims prompted me to donate.
I don't like LibreOffice but any actual Open Source dev deserves infinite more respect than those prompstitutes.
a couple of months ago i asked about this one of local Forbes editors and they explained this phenomenon as "because it is expected to code by hand but managing to vibe anything is amazing". i decided not to continue this conversation because that's fucking stupid
“because it is expected to code by hand but managing to vibe anything is amazing”.
I don't think it's wise to stake the future of computing on "It's not that the bear dances well, it's that the bear dances at all."
they're desperate for ai to be profitable.
It's not really stupid. Things that are unusual are more noticeable, and garner more comment. We've grown used to devs tirelessly doing what they do, to the point most people don't think about where their software comes from, but a machine sort of doing it (poorly, so very poorly) is novel, so people talk about it.
Currently, software mostly working as it should is the norm, so people don't talk about it much. When the wave of slopcoded disasters starts to grow, people will talk about it, because software is suddenly not working as it should.
and yet no one is celebrating a piece of software well done
Wow, it managed to perfectly replicate Microsoft office?
How it looks, not how it works. Very buggy iir.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think the kind of person who contributes to FOSS projects get into it for the fame and attention.
LibreOffice - the only office suite that handles tables correct, even when multiple users change the document 🥳
It feels disengenuous to say people vibe code things.
I know it's correct English, I just think it's kind of a bullshit statement.
When dumbasses talk to AI's and the AI's do things for them, it's wild to think the credit goes to the dumbasses.
This is like your boss saying he did all your dev work and calling it "boss coding".
Had the same reaction with the Photoshop ai clone when se already have projects like gimp
Exactly. I also think that the problem was never just implementing stuff, the problem is to support the written code. Lately I stumbled upon a phrase "free as in a free puppy" I think those AI clones are exactly this. You will need to support it with AI, because no one else will be able or will be willing for enough time to do anything there. There is no understanding gained from this and if this bubble ever bursts or at least deflate a bit and prices for a token will get real it will no longer be maintainable.
People both here and on Reddit keep complaining about the ‘bad UI’ of GIMP compared to Photoshop. Which UI is laid out the same way as in Photoshop.
which is false, but more importantly the tools are entirely different. you can't do the same thing, you have to find the "gimp way" of achieving the same result
I agree to an extent - a few tools are indeed different, but the majority (including the core ones that 95% of people use) work almost exactly the same. Levels, curves, crop, clone stamp, sharpening, move etc.
which is false
“Trust me bro, it's completely different.”
Actual apps: tools on the left, layers on the right, the pic in the middle. The important menus are in the same places. Apparently Photoshop users lack pattern recognition.


True, however iirc the tools panel layout can be adjusted in standard GIMP — maybe not to the width of one icon, and by default the panel is also used for the tools options. Afaiu there was more sense in Photogimp when GIMP had floating windows, those really were dark times.
My main issue with GIMP is that I can never memorize the location of the buttons for less-frequently-used tools, and the icons are not too recognizable. But that can be fixed with an icon theme, and perhaps with reordering the buttons if that's indeed possible.

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