Researchers, industry leaders urge Ottawa to develop rules to protect consumers as Canada opens its market to Chinese EVs

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[–] 53 points 1 month ago (14 children)

I don't see how this isn't a problem for every car regardless of country origin.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Oh, it is. Best bet is to never have anything new enough to have a screen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Here I am installing my own screen and carrying my stupid phone with me at all times.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    The only reason I say a screen is that cars with a screen always have GPS connectivity. So either you buy a base model early 2010s car without it, or you get something older. Because then, it you're truly concerned about being tracked you can leave your phone at home. Plus, no Internet or satellite connectivity means it can't be remotely shut down. Of course, you'd want to buy it cash so the dealership or finance company aren't tracking you for repossession purposes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    China have a well established plan to perform cyber-espionage and foreign interference. They have no qualms about it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    You can say this about USA just as easily.

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    Fuck yes I can, and its pathetically naive to think they aren't.

    Also linking to us gov website, may as well link to a trump video.

    To be clear I'm not saying the Chinese govt doesn't do these things, I'm saying they are all doing it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    "All countries are corrupt" lol

    Calm down with the language champ this isnt Reddit

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Corruption is a little distinct from survalence. I think its pretty ignorant to think that big countries dont have large survalence bodies. That is the crux of my point: this article says "oh no Chinese cars", ignoring that we've left this door wide open.

    Meanwhile it seems like you want to claim the us is either not doing this or doing it to a lesser degree., and you use a us government website as your proof. Why would you think that's convincing?

    Just like on reddit you can use swear words here. You dont need to play cool police with your 14 say old account

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Sure, it's kind of racist, but if it gets them to pass some laws on what data car manufacturers can collect, that's still a win. And if they go extra racist and only restrict what data Chinese cars collect, then I just have more reason to buy a Chinese car.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    Everything true about Chinese risks is also true of American cars.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    C’mon Honda make EVs already!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Good luck with that. Honda is halting EV development.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Honda and Sony are becoming really unpopular eh

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Japanese car companies ignored the shift to EV, and now they are going out of business. Nissan will be the first to go, followed by Honda.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Nissan has been leading the EV charge for over a decade lol.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    So do American cars. What else is new?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    The US has to come up with court orders and warrants to get data from third parties like GM or Ford, and those companies are not compelled to collect any particular dataset. Every Chinese business is, by default, required to both capture all data and share it with the Chinese government, and they are required not to disclose that they were collecting and sharing that data.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

    So? I the US the data is sent to third parties with your gΓ©o-localisation data and driving data, along with other personal info. Third parties like insurance companies, marketing companies, AI, etc. It's like your car is essentially Meta

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Exactly, gov't access isn't nearly the main problem as a lot of our lives are controlled by private corporations. Besides, the gov't can buy access to this data from data broker firms.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca

    gov’t access isn’t nearly the main problem ...

    It definitely is a main problem, at least in democratic countries. Spying on citizens without reason violates the constitution.

    But China isn't a democracy but rather a dictatorship. That makes the situation even worse, and privacy isn't by far the only violation of human rights committed by the government in Beijing as we know.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    People literally telling you in this thread why for them it isn't. You can ignore them all u want and tell them they're wrong. Won't change a thing as that doesn't stop their car insurance company making their lives more expensive using data collected from American cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I don't see how that relates to what I have said. This is a deflection to play down China's violations?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Re-read the thread including your own comment. If that doesn't help. I can't help you. There are courses in English.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There are also courses in democracy and critical thinking.

    I stop this conversation now. There's nothing meaningful to expect.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Tracking your driving habits is a privacy violation but not the biggest issue with Chinese cars. The Chinese government has unrestricted access to collected data AND they can compel manufactures to collect specific kinds of data. That turns Chinese cars into a fleet or war drivers.

    With thousands of vehicles recording every WiFi point and bluetooth device that passes in range you can track other devices and other vehicles that are not of Chinese origin. For example, a politician or members of that politician's entourage could have their phone's wifi and bt mac identified at a public event by a Chinese agent. From that point on they can be tracked anytime they pass within a hundred meters of a Chinese car. Even if the VIP is practicing good opsec their entourage may have a personal device that is identifiable. This would let the Chinese government get a heads up on meetings with businesses or other heads of state about which they would not have otherwise known.

    And this is the most trivial example, it would require so little data transmission from each car that it could be hidden in regular diagnostic and update communications.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I understand what you're saying. And you're right.

    But I think you're missing the point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think that privacy is being violated in numerous ways by all modern vehicles but China has been actively manipulating Canadian politics and Canadians in the past decade. They have world domination in mind and are willing to play the longest game necessary to achieve that goal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Hahahahahaha brother hold up.

    Who influenced the brexit vote? Hint: it wasn't China.

    Who is influencing the Alberta separatist movement? Not China.

    Who was also accused of interfering in the latest QuΓ©bec provincial elections? Not China.

    What is the #1 source of information for most of the people in the western hemisphere? American social media platforms. Also the biggest news networks are owned by Americans. Streaming platforms? Americans.

    Americans got their noses in everybody's business. They're influencing and interfering in elections left and right through these platforms, shady deals, and tarifs.

    Now, I'm not saying China isn't involved in some interference. Because they are. But their influence is nothing compared to the U.S.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    The US barely plans 4 years into the future, China plans 40 years at a minimum.

    You are focusing on the squirrel in your garden when there is a bear watching from the end of the driveway.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    How do you know the Chinese business are REQUIRED to capture ALL data? What constitutes "all" data?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    National Intelligence Law of the People's Republic of China (2017)

    Aritcle 7: "All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of."

    Article 10: "As necessary for their work, national intelligence work institutions are to use the necessary means, tactics, and channels to carry out intelligence efforts, domestically and abroad."

    The Chinese gov can tell it's auto manufactures to collect any data and they will. Non-compliance means being removed from your position of power are replaced with a more responsible figure.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Our government should look to Mexico and follow their lead and just produce its own vehicles instead of infinitely deferring to private and foreign interests and partnerships that inevitably lead to huge losses for the Canadian taxpayers. Why hand all that production and industriousness off to a foreign interest of any sort? Tax dollars and canadian materials could support the production and secure lives for Canadian workers, and all their downstream wage spending, and profits from vehicles stay in the country instead of going to some stock buybacks for a company that could actually jsut fuck off any old day they choose as we've been seeing as a result of US tarrifs.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Another hit piece on the only affordable cars just because it’s from sCaRy cHiNa.

    Meanwhile North American cars already track everything you do and sell it to your insurance company and anyone else willing to buy that data. No bad mouthing of the expensive domestic spy machines though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes China poses no threat to domestic security. Nothing to see

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You need to learn Xi Jinping Thought. Luckily your car will educate you about how Tibetans and Uighurs are all just Han after all. Celebrate unity with us. You will become one with us.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    The cheapest cars 'Made in China' following Carney's deal is Tesla. It comes at around 41k. The cheapest Chinese brands in Canada have a price tag of 120k. It's a high price for Canadians, but the Chinese workers who work in a 996 working culture and the victims of forced labour are paying a much higher price.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Tesla isn't even assembled in Canada. Use a better LLM.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Everyone is scared of Chinese spying, meanwhile they use TikTok and tell their life stories to LLMs.

    This is idiotic.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
  • And ironically enough, it's the American brand data that's actually more damaging on a personal basis. I'm guessing that the CCP wouldn't be selling my driving data to my insurance company, so that they can jack up my rates. We already know that the American brands are doing exactly that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The good news is that the police in Canada think that technology is magic, so if someone does hack your car they won't do anything about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If I had one, all I'd talk about in the car is how much I love Mao.

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