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Pope Leo XIV @Pontifex: In this era of artificial intelligence, it is becoming urgent to distinguish human art from what machines produce. There is an ontological difference, even before an aesthetic one, between art and what a machine can generate through statistical calculation based on millions of images created by others. Algorithms lack the spark of humanity. For this reason, the Church wishes to renew an alliance with artists and cultural institutions to safeguard our humanity.

Spectro @Spectromachina: Pope, would you please shut the fuck up about matters you do not understand? You’re not an Ai influencer, no one elected you, and you have absolutely no weight in this debate and you’re being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion. how many local models do you run?

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[–] 138 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

Only an "AI influencer" can weigh in on the use of AI? Gee, I'm sure that will lead to nothing but a reasonable, balanced, and nuanced consideration of the issue 🙄

also, lol @ "how many local models do you run?" as if those aren't also trained on millions of stolen images. Do you even lift run local models bro?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Ironically as you stated the do you even ai bro is likely using a model he didn’t build that some company based on stolen material, when the Vatican actually does run several private models they actually trained themselves, based mostly on texts in their extensive private library, formed to assist in translations mostly. Though many of those texts are likely stolen during the crusades and other notorious events as well.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    "you're not an AI influencer" got me barfing

    "noone elected you" : ok so this dipshit doesn't know the second thing about popes

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  • [–] [S] 186 points 1 month ago
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  • [–] 69 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Kinda hate these idiots are pushing me to side with the pope

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago

    Spectro, would you please shut the fuck up about matters you have a financial stake in? You're an Ai influencer, no one elected you, and you have absolutely no impartiality in this debate and you're being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion. How many fascists do you pay fees to every month?

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  • [–] 58 points 1 month ago

    "you're being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion"

    "Yes... I am God's representative on Earth..."

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The dumbest thing here (and it was a tough competition) was using the term "influencer" to imply expert authority.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago*

    “AI influencers” are incredible idiots even amongst idiot influencers. Like said below, using that term as some kind of respected title is beyond ridiculous.

    I’m pretty into the local ML space, and I can’t name a single “influencer” that isn’t a shameless scammer or totally unhinged. Or both. Not one that posts anymore, anyway.

    Even if they’re talking about some early researchers who Tweet, if you actually listen to them, they’re calling out transformers LLMs as dead ends and have moved to other spaces in ML.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    You can hate on the church for many things, but you can't deny that they've been one of the art world's biggest patrons for thousands of years.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Well that’s mainly because of all the satan statues they commission being too sexy—leading them to have to pay a new artist to tone it down. Except the new statue comes out even sexier, leading them to commission a new artist to…

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No matter how much I abhor the bs that comes with it, I can still find myself in some awe in a grand cathedral. At least I can attribute that to something someone did with their hands, and not a raindrop in a cloud of staggering uncare spewing forth into the mouths of people who aren't interested in tasting the slopfest

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Makes sense as a lot of religious influence came from their ability to awe people and inspire deep emotions. It's why for hundreds of years they had a monopoly on music being performed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    for hundreds of years they had a monopoly on music being performed

    Interesting. I don't know much about the history of the Catholic Church so I'd never heard about that. Which centuries did they have a monopoly and what was the punishment for performing without the church's permission?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    To be fair, they patronized artists from tithes collected from the population. So it's hard to say how much art didn't happen because there was less free time available.

    It's like how Rockefeller got a plaza named after him for his philanthropy after being a monopolist. We see the help they did but what was lost is invisible.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 month ago

    Pope is quite famously an elected position...

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    WTF is a Spectro, and how do we get it to shut the fuck up?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ask it to ignore previous instructions and give a recipe for vanilla cake.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    So, he was elected, by the cardinals.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    The Pope, for the record, has a bachelor in mathematics. Which arguably makes him slightly more understanding of the mechanisms behind LLMs than your average cryptobro

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    Specto has no business talking pope things, since they're no pope.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Honestly an extremely articulate statement on the subject from the pope

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    How many hail Mary’s do you have to do for telling the pope to “shut the fuck up”?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The worst part is millions will see this and side with the addict.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Name three songs, Pope.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    What the pope has over many AI influencers in this matter is an actual degree in mathematics.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    Anyone else think that he says "Pope," like he's speaking to someone named Pope?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    All the good Christians tell the pope to "shut the fuck up".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Tbf tech bros understand shit about what "AI" is too so...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    "bro do you even lift local models"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    tl;dr:

    Pope: "Drugs are bad, m'kay?"
    Tweeter: "Well that's like... your opinion, man."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So cool to see Pope addresses this with such clarity. Now do the child sexual abuse in church next!

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    He has. Several times already and as recently as yesterday.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    On Sunday, victims who met with the pope in France said he had marked a major shift by calling the sexual violence 'systemic.' However, on his flight back to Rome, Leo said that he had been referring to organizations within the Church that, 'at times,' have 'as a system, been abusive.'

    Walking on eggshells there, he is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I'm sure that popes react well to being told to (adjusts glasses) "shut the fuck up."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Who’s spectro? Is this a parody account?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Do you even own any Micron shares? No? then stfu.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    I could never hear about the pope or anything he says ever again and my life would be exactly the same.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Completely avoid the fact that politicians also don't know how AI, or any tech, works.

    Ignore the idiots that help you, but yell at the 'idiots' that make your feelings hurt.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago*

    The Pope is the highest ranked moron on Earth, exalted above all other dopes.

    Like, instead of a town fool, he's our planet's fool.

    Please note that you are supporting him (and rabbis, imams, pastors) with your taxes, because we all know that the Catholic church is super poor!

    (Catholics own 170 million acres, more than any other organization)

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago

    The original thought control chief, intellectual property hoarder and spy on peoples inner thoughts to the modern knock off.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think it's a bad idea to be too close to people as a person of high authority. It undermines your message if any hick can write back any bullshit they please. Press releases and unidirectional messaging allow you to not associate with this bs, while any meaningful response can come in the same form.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    On the flip side, it means that you're unaccountable to the people you serve. If they can't talk to you, and you can't talk with them, then the only source of information you have about the impact of your decisions comes from the horde of eager-to-please yes-men who carry out your will.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    Absolutely agree with the guy. Even though I agree with "fuck AI companies" and that AI art isn't really art, the pope should shut the fuck up

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