Nope, it’s also a consequence of often choosing the greater evil.
And for favouring short term over long term planning.
And zero-sum thinking.
And us vs them mentality.
And a lack of critical thinking in general.
Nope, it’s also a consequence of often choosing the greater evil.
And for favouring short term over long term planning.
And zero-sum thinking.
And us vs them mentality.
And a lack of critical thinking in general.
Pretty sure donald was the eviler of two evils. The evilist of many evils.
Which is more evil, Dr Frankenstein or the monster?
So instead of blaming the system that gave us two parties, you blame the voters who had no choice but to vote for two parties?
Sounds solid. 👍
Seriously. Someone let me know when we’re getting off the internet and rioting.
Someone let me know when we’re getting off the internet and rioting.
I heard they were just waiting for you, man.
You’re talking to Americans here. Fucking cowards aren’t even willing to block traffic or occupy buildings. The mere suggestion of a response that’s a step or two beyond that, approaching something halfway proprtionate? They’ll piss their pants in fear, clutch their pearls and start attacking YOU more forcefully than they’d ever come at MAGA.
A perfect example of this is what happens when you suggest voting third party.
In the US system voting third party IS clown-brain shit, though.
You’re talking to Americans here. Fucking cowards aren’t even willing to block traffic or occupy buildings.
What country are you from again?
Have you seen American police? They have machine guns, tanks, and air support. They've been trained to see citizens as the enemy for years (see Warrior Cop Training).
And your move is to… keep allowing this and keep your head down?
Congratulations. You have agreed to a political morality where the government’s entitlement to your obedience increases in direct proportion to how willing it is to fucking kill you.
Look, I'm old and have serious health issues. Your comments are ableist and simplistic. I'm not going to unilaterally sacrifice myself.
Americans, forever unable to imagine collective action except as a series of unilateral individual decisions. Okay, great- clearly your best move, then, is to shit-talk direct action in spaces where people considering it are likely to gather.
If you don't want to put your comfort at risk, fine. Very least you could do is not actively contribute to the problem.
You don't really understand American life. We work ourselves nearly to death because our unions have been broken and gutted and demonized, we have no decent healthcare and we still have to spend an unacceptable amount of time and money for it, most of us are enslaved by the cost of our enormous cars and by housing that is increasingly exploited by private equity, and we are constantly barraged by divisive propaganda and suspicion campaigns. This all results in a populace that is spent. You may experience some of that, but you cannot imagine the totally of it, which is why it seems so easy for you. Maybe your age is also a factor?
Either way, I'm not changing any minds here. There's not enough upvotes to worry about, so your complaint seems like looking for a moral panic to pin on me, which is pretty funny.
Not blocking traffic in a country where running over protestors is fine is not cowardice.
A fun aspect of the American dream is if you fuck around too much you can lose your job. Which I’ll bet true everywhere but an added bonus is you also lose your health insurance and some people need health insurance to stay alive
There are plenty of growing worker organizations you can contribute to now. That's the task, not simply waiting for revolution to fall into your lap.
really it seems like it's blaming people for just voting & hoping, instead of organizing and building a movement. voting for the lesser evil is not enough.
voting for the lesser evil is not enough.
Evolution can't work if we back-slide.
just voting & hoping, instead of organizing and building a movement.
Let us know when your clip airs on the news.
Evolution can't work if we back-slide
Like, for example, if we let a cop run the country? I agree. Let's force the DNC to back more progressive candidates instead of more conservative ones. Signalling that you'll vote for literally anyone with a D next to their name only incentivizes them to appeal to the right.
One sec, I'm getting a premonition... You're going to tell me to ”vOtE iN pRiMaRiEs" as if the DNC doesn't have a monumental sway in which candidates end up on ballots. I do vote in primaries, for the record
You chose to confine yourself inside that box.
No more than you, who does nothing but complain loudly.
So instead of complaining and bringing attention to a subject we're supposed to shut up and comply? How good of an authoritarian view you have there.
Are you referring to Genocide Joe or Sleepy Don?
genocide joe was still somehow de lesser of the 2 evils
Was he?
Seems to me that, if at the end of your presidency homelessness is up 18% and people can't afford basic food staples, and you're still sending billions in free WMD's to a genocider mid-genocide anyway, maybe you don't get to claim you're a 'lesser evil'.
Americans don't want to admit it, but what you're usually getting is two greater evils in different packages.
Was he?
Yes he was
I don't think that's a reasonable opinion, but thank you for sharing.
See I think electing the traitorous, racist, malignantly narcissistic, pedophilic rapist who hates the American people just as much as he hates people of every other nation on Earth would have been far less reasonable. And the first two years of Trump's second administration have proved me right, no speculation necessary. I'd thank you back, but since your opinions are fucking fecal, instead I'll ask you kindly to stop sharing, thanks.
I understand.
You think that the blue guy doing genocide, poverty, war, and the like is okay because they package themselves as a nice guy. I concern myself more with actions than words personally.
You're welcome to your opinion. Have a pleasant day.
Just to be clear about language, "lesser evil" and "greater evil" aren't like, classifications of evil like a tier list or something, they are directly comparative. If comparing two evils and one is greater, then the other is lesser, definitionally.
Why do we only have evils to choose from in the first place?
Because good people aren't wealthy enough or have the right connections outside of local elections MAYBE
They just need to remain active to shape those choices and they refuse to, leaving a small group to trade favours.
Problem is you need money to remain active cause it's a constant thing. It's not something you can just do on weekends and afternoons. You're basically doing volunteer work for months with the small possibility of people donating to your cause, but that can't be a guarantee.
I’m pretty sure we elected the worst of all evils
Not really, because if people consistently choose the lesser evil. Like if 90% voted for lesser evils, then the other party would have to change things up, or there could be a new party that would have a chance of winning because they're competing for that 90% of people and no way would the evil party win.
But no, problems isn't choosing lesser evil, it's that significant people still choose evil
The problem is that, despite people swearing they never had any other choice, there has always been many instances of good options that go unchosen while the population fights over voting for turbo-evil vs naturally-aspirated-evil.
Here in Canada we have three main parties and people will do ANYTHING to justify why they cannot vote progressive and must vote for the centrist/conservative party because otherwise the conservative-conservatives might get power. Now we have a banker steam-rolling our people and our environment for free.
Exactly. The lesser evil hasn't won enough because a bunch of peeps are just fucking evil and others don't care enough to vote for the less evil version because they aren't less evil enough.
So instead we get constantly more evil variants instead of constantly getting better (less and less evil) for generations
Fucking stupid original post
We have a shitty 2 party system, keep voting lesser evil until we can fix it or don't be pissed when evil people win again and again.
Your assuming lesser evil stays the same. If they move lock step with the greater evil though then guess what?
Then a new party will form. Again, if the votes are not split 50:50 and it's pretty much only on the lesser evil, then a good alternative party can easily grab the votes of the frustrated citizens without risking "splitting the vote and letting greater evil win"
What are you talking about? This is not a hypothetical. That's what already happened. And a new party didn't form. Because we were kept being told to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Tell me one single election where the lesser evil part got more than 60% of votes? Let alone 90%
Explain what makes you think the lesser evil would change anything when they're doing 90%, and don't claim the greater evil would simply disappear or change. The influences behind any of them that use money to push right do not care, and we have seen times and times again that the lesser evil has no intention of reducing that influence. Guess why.
250 years. We've had a form of First Past the Post for as long as we've has government, and mathematically that always results in two parties, aka lesser of two evils. Without changing that, we can point fingers of blame wherever, but the people don't get a real choice.
I wonder if this sticker is on the car of someone who always voted third party or abstained? Clearly, since it's "you" and not "us", so not taking responsibility for generations of voting. Do they realize that their choice might have caused this outcome too? Probably not, since they're using a bumper sticker to blame everyone else.
Which third party? There's always more than one, so now the vote is even weaker. And realize that you just also blamed the non-voters. Pointing fingers is very much a keyboard warrior, and it's what's always done after a loss caused by third party spoiling. Go ahead, say you didn't, but the numbers historically show in close races where a third party vote would have settled had they not thought "this time, it's different".
To think that a third party could ever win a national election in a Republican/Democrat owned system is fantasy land. At best you do exactly what resulted in MAGA, you splinter the group from within and force the moderate part to follow the radical. That means not playing by rules though, so Democrats have division within but no clear radical that is forcing changes.
As for causes of "this", meaning the current administration, there's so much more long term decline damage and not just votes that caused this. Things were not fine before. More fantasy.
You're ignorant of history. Yes, we'll have two parties due to our electoral system, but precisely which two parties can easily change. It's happened before. In fact, that's how the Republican party came to be. The Abolitionists spent nearly a century doing exactly what you advocate - voting for the lesser evil. Slavery only became more entrenched. It was only when they were willing to abandon the existing parties entirely and support a new third party - the Republicans, that Abolition actually happened.
We would have never had a President Lincoln if our ancestors had followed your advice.
I didn't realize I was advocating for voting for one of two parties. It almost seemed I was pointing out that we're stuck in that trap without a change of voting system. Let me reread my post... yeah, that was the point.
As for the rest, you're sort of right but very, very simplified what was going on. And of course with a different system from the start history would be different... maybe even avoided a Civil War and/or repairing its causes and damage. Oh well...
We as a society need to make posting AI slop as much of a taboo as, like, pissing on the side of a building. It should be something that you just don't do as a matter of decorum.
Actually we've chosen the worse of two evils about half the time.
Hmmm. Really seems like the government today is directly the result of not choosing the lesser evil 2 years ago.
The 2024 election was the result of choosing the lesser evil in 2020. You can't analyze these problems by looking at only one election at a time. In the grand scheme of things, Biden winning in 2020 was a net-negative for the country. It gave us four more years of milquetoast centrism that did nothing to reduce the appeal of MAGA. If Trump had won again in 2020, he wouldn't have had four years to prepare for a second term. There wouldn't have been a Project 2025.
Electoral myopia is a mortal sin of Democrats. Every election they pretend that no other election has ever happened before, and no other election will ever happen again.
The 2024 election was the result of choosing the lesser evil in 2020.
Only in that he wouldn't be able to run again in 2024 if we had let the greater evil win.
If Trump had won again in 2020, he wouldn’t have had four years to prepare for a second term.
So your solution to Trump having a second term, would be to give him a second term?
Decades of 'lesser evil' gave us trump
Rule 4 "lessor evil rhetoric"
Post is explicitly about "lessor evil" (can't even spell it right in the side bar)
Lessor is a participant of the lease who takes possession of the property and provides it as a leasing subject to the lessee for temporary possession
Mods, restore my comment, or remove the whole post or admit this is a joke sub that is about idealistic anarchist masturbatory fantasies and just ban my ass so I don't have to keep reading the smooth-brained drivel that got the orange fascist elected in the first place, whilst being unable to interject with basic logic and facts.
well i mean were we supposed to choose the greater of two evils?
OP must be Maga to think that Trump was a lesser evil than Kamala.
Someone doesn't understand that the Democrats have been running that platform for a while now and been using it as a whipping rallying call to kowtow the actual left into compliance with them without any real consideration given to their ideology. The Democrats are not actually left, they're at best middle of the road conservatism and people need to realize that.
they're at best middle of the road conservatism and people need to realize that.
"The lesser of 2 evils."
America voted for the greater evil and is now experiencing face eating leopard.
Hillary Clinton was the lesser evil against Barack in 2008. Her whole campaign platform was that she was more electable and that voting for Obama was throwing your vote away.
The lesser evil thing doesn't apply to primaries, you always vote as progressive as possible in the primaries. And anyway, Clinton and Obama were both establishment candidates, they were the same level of evil.
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