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[–] 85 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Wait… so, torturing someone is a form of torture?

No way!

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  • [–] 62 points 1 month ago

    Uhhhhh..... Yeah?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Sometimes I believe the reason religion exists is to control women.

    Then I remember it controls everyone that is not in the elite.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It makes the people control each other.

    The women who shows too much female attractiveness gets beatings.

    The man who doesn’t make a family and is dominant toward his woman is punished with lower social status.

    The system of people regulates itself.

    Religions are nothing else than sects.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    also why, in his mission to queerify and turn religion anarchic, aleister crowley was branded 'the most dangerous man alive' by the powers that be in his time.

    or atleast thats what i can gather from his actual practice. I think, that if theres any truth to the epstein circle and occult practice, its a whacko larp not really connected to anything resembling actual thelemic magick, which is generally VERY focused on consent and acceptance of anyone involved

    sry i saw an opportunity to infodump and ran with it ✌️

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Even if you feel that whipping is a legitimate form of punishment, 74 lashes is such a crazy number. Like I'm not sure she'll be conscious for the last of it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There is no such thing as a legitimate form of punishment

    Penal systems exist for correction, not punishment. The idea of a sentence is how long you need to separate that individual from society, with access to excellent mental health professionals and various forms of therapy, before they can safely return to society.

    Punishment doesn't correct people.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Its a reminder that just because the orange fuck found the absolute worst way to deal with them. Iran fucking sucks. Like, the government needs to be eradicated. Just not like how fucking america did it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    The exact way it was being handled before: Letting them collapse on their own. And it was very close to actually working, their was massive unrest in the country and it looked looked like they were on the verge of something at least. Now the hardliners have shored up their power, and somehow Trump fucked up so hard they are even a sympathetic figure on the world stage. Truly one of the world's most staggeringly idiotic military decisions.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    That's some goddamm primitive shit right there. Great culture you got.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Sure, buddy-boy. We're doing real honest to goodness humanitarian shit here in the USA. Get bent.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

    I don't believe they mentioned anything about the USA. That was you making an assumption. For all I know, they believe the same about the USA.

    Also, chill out. Telling a stranger to get bent is wild.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    So is calling an entire culture primitive. At least mine is targeted at someone using open bigotry rather than issuing a blanket statement for entire people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    They didnt say the entire culture was primitive. They said the lashing was primitive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    That's some goddamm primitive shit right there. Great culture you got.

    Out of the two of you, it seems you're the one putting words in OPs mouth. The above is what was said, and it clearly mentions their culture.

    Hell you could even argue they didn't even mention the lashings; but that seems just as insincere as claiming they didn't take aim at a specific culture.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Well if your culture contains lashing women for something like this, still kinda weird to want to defend it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Nobody is defending lashing. It's the Claim that lashes are part of Iranian culture that's being questioned, as it enables scapegoating and dehumanisation of a people based on nationality; a good example is the genocide within Gaza and how it was largely whitewashed by claiming the actions of hamas equal the actions of Palestinians.

    It's no different to claiming that the abduction and rape/torture of citizens based on ethnicity is American culture... I'm not American, but i'd assume there's widespread disgust at all the concentration camps ICE have set up and inhumane treatment going on inside them, so wouldn't claim it's part of American culture, but just because I won't brandish every American as a rapist doesn't mean I agree with rape and torture.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    I don't think anyone is claiming that this is part of Iranian culture. At most, it's part of islamic culture and more specifically the Twelver sect of Shi'a Islam

    Most Iranians don't want anything to do with this shit

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    most Iranians don't want anything to do with this shit

    Exactly that mate. Problem with the definition of 'which culture OP meant' is that it's all just conjecture on both our ends.

    All we can say for certain, is that OP made a statement about a culture being primitive and promptly exited stage right.

    We're now all left here farting over whether they were talking about all Iranians, all Muslims, or a specific subset of Muslim culture with their blanket statement.

    Dehumanisation based on culture/ethnicity/race etc... is a tried and tested fascist playbook that at best is designed to divide the working classes, but can lead to far worse situations, like ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    I'm certainly no authority on the matter, I just think it's best to err against using such language, Lest we play into our oppressors hands and so forth.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Who's talking about dehumanisation? There's nothing inhuman about any of this

    And why wouldn't we be allowed to judge people based on their culture? If that culture is based on extreme misogyny we shouldn't be afraid to call it out

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The original comment calls their culture primitive, which is a textbook case of dehumanisation.

    There's been a war between America and Iran for most of this year. For this one specifically, the reason to avoid rhetoric aimed at Iran's culture is to protect yourself from the effects of ongoing war propaganda.

    But in general, It's dangerous to allow yourself to judge a group of people in ways that make them "others." That's what turns thoughts like "they're a primitive culture" into "well, our bombs are doing the world a favour".

    Germans didn't just wake up and gas people overnight, it was through conditioning that started with seemingly innocuous comments that ultimately led to war & genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Literacy is dead. You can call an action primitive and in a separate sentence sarcastically congratulate the culture.

    You can have a non primitive culture that includes primitive punishment without having a primitive culture. Thats why the sentence makes sense.

    If they thought it was a primitive culture the punishment would be fitting and specifically calling the action primitive would make no sense. If they thought it was primitive they would just say what you're accusing them of and refer to the culture as primitive shit.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    They can both be bad. Lashes for not covering your hair us awful. The US is also carrying out brutal and terrible things. US government actions don't mean everyone should ignore the shitty things the Iranian government does.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "Iran is doing some pretty awful shit to a particular citizen of theirs."

    "Well wah, what about the U.S?!??"

    Like, seriously? You must have practiced this in the mirror before you typed this, you basement dwelling weirdo

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I included the "what about" in my initial response, but realized how pointless it is to argue with who deny words when they're written in the thread they're arguing about.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Uh-huh, and what about the "what about"?

    You didn't seriously sit on this for 2 days? Really?

    Basement. Dwelling. Weirdo. Make sure mommy doesn't forget the ketchup for your dino nuggies.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    This is conservatism. Plain and simple. Conservatism should be a capital offense in every nation. There is no such thing as a conservative in any country whose life is valuable. They are all pure evil and need to be dealt with as such.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's pretty common for extremism like this to get entrenched when met with over attempts at manipulating countries. It happened with the Taliban and it's happened on Iran. It's pretty rare to get the "Regime change" you want through violence

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The Taliban and current Iranian leadership are both conservative. I think you are inadvertently supporting my position that conservatism should be erased.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Well, I'm just stating why groups like these gain traction. Extreme circumstances, extreme solutions.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    That's fair. I agree that extreme circumstances warrant extreme solutions.

    I spent over 50 years as a pacifist. I hate the idea of harming others, but I can see now that every single terrible thing done by humans in human history was done by conservatives. Every war, every genocide, every act of bigotry you've ever heard of... all of it is led exclusively by conservatives.

    Conservatives are the single greatest threat to all life on earth. For example, if not for conservatives, the normal people would be able to address climate change. If not for conservatives, billionaires would be chargeable with crimes and be required to pay taxes fairly. Employees would have the ability to unionize. Healthcare would be available and housing would be affordable. Every major problem we face as humans today is solved by the erasure of conservatives.

    We are in extreme circumstances globally because of the continued existence of conservatives. There is a way to fix this problem. And you're correct. It's an extreme solution. But, it's desperately needed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Barbaric tradition. Absolutely awful.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I can't imagine why women would want to live in such an oppressive place.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Oh, okay. Next time you're born, you should make sure to choose a good place.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Better cool it down with the medieval bullshit, they are already being bombed by America and are scrutinized for the killings of hundreds of thousands protesters, bad time to make more enemies.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    FYI be very carefully of anti-Iran articles like this. It's propaganda.

    Obviously treating her like this is abhorrent. Just remember that the media is not your friend.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    How about the crazy shit France enforces about what muslim kids can wear in school and how hamfisted and discriminatory it is?

    How about Israel now trying to push to expel ANY Arabs from its government?

    The spin is hard to perceive because nothing about this article is necessarily wrong and yes of course the Iranian government has some serious problems, I see no reason to doubt for example that several thousand protestors were killed in Iran but it is not in the high tens of thousands like is so confidently reported in western media with little if any inspection of the credulity of the claims.

    It is difficult and confusing but also if you just remember the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend and that falling into believing so is dangerous, all of this comes back to that in the end.

    Choose your enemies based on how they behave not who their enemies are.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Iran supplies weapons to Russia to use against Ukraine and has funded and armed HAMAS for decades

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_support_for_Hamas

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Hamas is a democratically elected government. Supporting hamas just means giving water sanitation equipment sometimes.

    Or do you mean the military of hamas?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I mean Hamas, you can tell I meant that because I typed "HAMAS".

    I am against the funding of all Islamic groups, because Islam wants to murder me (per the Koran and the modern teachings of fundamentalist imam's).

    It's against my policy to finance the murderous, this includes all fundamentalist Abrahamic faiths.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (9 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    That's like reading the Sermon on the Mount and then pointing at evangelical megachurches or the Crusades and saying "the wonders of Jesus huh". Silly man. Go read the Qur'an, no more no less, and find the "if you don't wear a veil you get lashed" line. I'll agree with you if you find them, go go.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ah, the no true Scotsman argument. Never mind that every Islamic country pulls the same bullshit to some extent or the other. Go join the tankies over there in the denial corner.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    No, you silly goose. If you say "hey, I'm X" but actually do Y, you're just being dishonest, with others and yourself, and that can be at the personal or the societal level. If you say you're a good husband but beat up your wife, you're not one, same if you're a follower of Jesus but are all about profit and power, and ofc same if you're a follower of Muhammed and go against everything the divine message put forth (including "to you your religion and to me mine", which is again in the Qur'an).

    You just lack the intellectual capacity or courage to make the distinction between a person who says A and does A and a person who says A but beats children. But what can I expect from someone who just tagged me to "prove me wrong" or whatever. Enjoy the attention I've provided you, and remember to be wise and kind. 👋

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud

    Scriptural basis Hudud offenses with prescribed punishments are mentioned in the Quran. The punishments for these offenses are drawn from both the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran does not define the offenses precisely: their definitions were elaborated in fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence).

    Hududullah, or the "limits of God", is a phrase found several times in the Quran, but not as a label for a particular type of crime. The Quran warns Muslims of the sin of transgressing the limits, which should not even be approached (Quran 2:187). But nowhere does the phrase appear in the clear context of labeling certain crimes (see Quran, 2:229, 4:14, 58:4, 65:1), though 4:14 is followed by discussion of sexual impropriety.[22]

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    They may not have liked the performance, but calling it a "form of torture" seems a little much

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