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[–] 66 points 1 month ago (24 children)

Happy to say I'm past the piss-broke stage of life, but I'll never forget how much is sucks. One of the really shitty things about it is all the products marketed toward selling us a 'cheap' meal, and we buy it because you don't question it: it's poverty food, right? Must be among the cheapest options in the store, right?

Then you start pricing stuff out by things like cost-per-gram and realize you're getting ripped off. To answer OPs question, I'd call that dish: predatory, bc it's an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

For anyone reading this who is stuck in that hell, first off: /hug. Second, the real poverty food MVP is rice. I don't recall the price off the top of my head, and even if I did I'm sure it's inflated since I was a frequent buyer, but look for "fortified short grain" which is usually the least expensive and is 'fortified' with some extra nutrients to get something other than carbs. Buy it in bulk - you can get it in 50lb bags at places like Costco (if you don't have a membership, mooch a ride there off someone who does, they can get you through the door/checkout) or Asian/Middle Eastern grocery stores. Price it out to what you're paying for the amount used in a single meal, and it's like a literal nickel.

Rice makes for a boring meal by itself, but it'll fill you up. Your second best friend is the clearance shelf. Pretty much any meat or veggie can go with rice. You'd be surprised how well other shit work with rice too... I recall having a single slice of shitty supreme pizza in the fridge; not enough for a satisfying meal, but, fuck it, whipped up a serving of rice, chopped up the slice of pizza crust and all, and threw it in when the rice was just about soft enough to eat and kinda stir fried it in. The oils from the cheese and sausage all got soaked up by the rice... end result wasn't amazing by any stretch, but it was away more satisfying than a single slice of pizza or bowl of plain rice, tasted decent, costed pennies.

Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There's a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you've bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch... and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

Also get a cheap rice cooker as soon as you can afford it - a pot works fine, but a rice cooker will get you much more consistent results for much less effort.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Add some beans and spices to that rice for an almost nutrient complete meal that can taste pretty damned good.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    ^ Beans FTW.

    Dress it up with hot sauce if you can find it.

    Getting slightly off the path of “cheap”…

    If you have a grocery nearby that sells cheap goods from south of the border, grab some plantains. Wait until they’re good and dark, peel, cut them in half lengthwise and then in about 2” pieces and fry them. Making me hungry just thinking about it. Sofrito for the rice.

    One of my favorite cheap meals.

    (USD)

    Sofrito jar 2.99

    25 lb bag of rice 13.50 (~55 cups of rice, 25¢ a cup)

    1 lb beans, pinto 1.19, black 1.59 (2 cups/bag, 60¢ cup)

    Hot sauce 1.19

    Plantains 65¢ each.

    Rice and beans, decent serving, 1 cup cooked each makes a good amount, 85¢ total. Assuming some salt is already available to cook the rice with.

    So adding a cup of sofrito, a dash of hot sauce, and cooking up a plantain will add a little over $2 to the total, make it $3 for the whole meal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's crazy that those jars of sofrito got so expensive. I used to buy them for a dollar and change.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Probably tariffs? No idea. Yeah, they used to be like $1 or so.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I noticed it happened a few years ago, I would get the goya one out of convenience. Maybe people caught on at how it's a jar of magical goodness lol. Lucky for me there's a mom pop shop that makes it from scratch.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Not to derail your point, but rice can be especially bad for people (myself included) where carbs (esp. white rice) make you hungry. If you're one of those people where Chinese food makes you hungry an hour later, it's usually because your insulin spikes in response to the rice.

    For those people, obviously try to avoid white rice (and flour, sugar, and potatoes). Brown rice usually includes the fiber on the outside (which gets stripped away for processed white rice) which at least slows the carb rush.

    Fresh or even frozen, unprocessed veggies that you have to cook yourself are still remarkably cheap, even in this economy. A pan of random chopped veggies and some random seasonings from the spice aisle (no blends!) can easily get you a filling and nutritious meal, and still cheaper than a box of hamburger helper.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Oh, 100% this is unhealthy as fuck. I gained a ton of weight when I was piss broke cuz all I could afford was rice - exceptions were a treat. When you're that tight on cash though, you start to prioritize it over pretty much everything else, including your own body.

    Spending any more on food would have required cutting into something critical like rent - I never did have to deal with homelessness, but boy did I toe that line.

    In any case, this is desperation diet - hopefully for a very short term leading up to having the means to live a healthier lifestyle.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    The catch for brown rice is it's one of the few whole grains that turn rancid fairly quickly. Don't buy 50 pounds unless you can subdivide it into vacuum sealed bags with oxygen absorbers, lest you end up with 48 pounds of rancid rice.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Can you do the thing where you make the starch resistant rice? Cooking rice then cooling it lowers the GI, from what I understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Can you explain? This sounds like something that could benefit my broke ass.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Afaik it's literally cook rice then cool it in fridge overnight before you use it. Something about the process makes the starch change and it's better for people with the beetus. I am not a food scientist and idk how it works.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I found this: https://www.snaq.ai/blog/cooled-rice-blood-sugar-research

    My guess is that cooling the rice causes some of the starches to polymerize into longer chains that are harder for your body to digest, which lowers the glycemic index of the food.

    I also prefer very short grained rice, which has slightly higher protein to starch ratio and reheats better. This stuff is often sold as "sushi rice." If you're on a budget, Calrose medium grain is fine. (If you're not on a budget, tamanishiki koshihikari is my favorite bougie short grain rice.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It certainly looks like it would be better than regular rice. From some quick googling, it acts more like fiber and is better for diabetics. If I had to eat rice, it's probably what I would do.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There’s a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you’ve bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch… and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

    Do this, but also Freeze 'em.

    The beetles you're talking about are common in pretty much every grain. Freezing kills the beetles, the larvae, and the eggs. I'd suggest gallon-sized freezer bags rather than snack sized. If you don't need the space for anything else, just store the bags in the freezer. If you do need the space, freeze the bags for a week, then move them to the buckets.

    Same trick works for flour, oats, etc. Any grains you bring home should go straight into the freezer for a week before you move them to the pantry.

    An additional benefit: Freezers are most efficient when they are kept completely full. The thermal mass and insulation of 50lbs of rice and/or other grains will keep your perishables frozen for days during a power outage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    it's an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

    Yeah, this product is an awful choice for the budget conscious.

    Pasta is like $1.20/lb. There are many different ways to dress up pasta with other ingredients, whether saucy or cheesy or creamy or oily or even relatively dry seasoning. You can add a cheap protein source. You can add vegetables. In many forms, pasta is still a one-pan dish that can be made in about 20 minutes, where you prep ingredients as the water boils. Or you can put in a lot of effort (all-day sauces, hand-pounded pesto, etc.).

    My favorite low effort, cheap and nutritionally complete meal is boiling a package of pasta, dumping in a can of beans, dumping in a can of premade chili, and shredding a bunch of cheddar over it. The macros are good, even for athletes, it's cheap, and it's easy.

    As you mention, rice is between $1 to $2 per pound, based on quantity and type. There are a ton of options around that, too.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Hamburger helper is bullshit. They give you some dry noodles and a "spice" pack of dubious powder, you have to provide the beef and milk. That's not helping very much.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    for real, and it's not even enough noodles. So you end up adding more noodles too... at that point you're paying for a box with some "spice" in it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    For me, it's just too salty.

    Grab some mac n cheese and put some hotdogs in it. If you are wealthy*, you can add ground beef instead and toss in some green chilies and some Italian seasoning. (It's really good. Go ham on the seasoning.)

    • ground beef is freaking expensive nowadays 😩
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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    How... Does this help in making a hamburger? I have never had a noodleburger, are they good?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    "hamburger" or "hamburger meat" is what many people in the US call ground beef. Just as in other places they might call it "mince."

    The product proposes to help make one pound of hamburger meat fill a family of 4. It's not as nourishing or effective as adding a bunch of vegetables and spices but it's shelf-stable and quickly prepared.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I remember in college they had an "instant" hamburger helper where you just added water and it had dehydrated bits of hamburger in it. It probably wasn't actually hamburger... Probably for the best to add the meat yourself.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is cooking with training wheels and I'm not gonna shit on it.

    I hear the comments that you need to add noodles, add more spice... you know that because you started here too. I'm glad this exists to open the door to cooking for yourself, but if you know better, do better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    If you need to add meat, noodles and spice then... what is it? Just bunch of preservatives and artificial food dyes so that American bodies can absorb it without going into shock?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Some of y’all never had Helper and it shows.

    “Want to eat at my house? My mom’s making Helper.”

    “You mean like Hamburger Helper?”

    “Yeah but without the hamburger.”

    Being too poor to afford hamburger is not exactly a new condition.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    with real cheese

    Yeah, I don't believe that an just the fact you have to say it makes me suspicious.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Depends where this is taken.

    In Canada, our "cheese powder" is literally cheddar cheese grated extremely fine and dehydrated. So it's literally real cheese, and not some test tube product.

    If this was American, I would assume the "made with real cheese" was the cardboard of the packaging since their cheese is fucking garbage.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    We did this all the time when I was a kid, my dad would make macaroni and cheese and toss in some hot dogs. It was delicious then and its delicious now.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I think this was designed with poverty in mind in the first place

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I genuinely think these were designed and marketed as time savers. My family never had any issues affording food, and my mother wouldn't hesitate to make something like this for us. She's pretty susceptible to commercials, also...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I agree. These are just SO EASY to make a decent amount of food with minimum effort in very little time. Poverty? Maybe. Absolutely exhausted parents with no time nor energy to cook a more traditional wholesome meal? Absolutely. BOOM, family fed. Time to go to bed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yes, when it launched in 1970 beef prices were skyrocketing and the economy was weaker. It was intended to “help” stretch a pound of ground beef to feed a family of five, and only take a single pan to cook (previous meals of this type require browning the beef in one pan and cooking the noodles in another)

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    The real recession indicator is when they swap Hamburger Helper for Tuna Helper.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    Nothing can help canned tuna.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    canned tuna with some rice and saltines is great

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Sounds like a meal for people who find pepper too spicy.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I call this the dinner I most often had as a kid.

    Uh yeah we were poor.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hot Dog Self-Harm Assistant

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Give yourself so much hypertension that the inevitable heart attack is so quick you won't need to worry about paying medical bills

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    This shit taste good. I once microwaved and ate this on a plate. My ex looked at me and said that I eat puke like dog. I didn't flinch I was happy eating that like a dog eating puke indeed

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Use Hot Dogs instead of Hamburger in Hamburger fucking Helper?

    I think it means we are great again?

    Foreign Nations gaze upon our culinary prowess in fear.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    My partner and I can afford some pretty reasonable dinners. But one of our go-to staples is literally a box of Kraft Dinner and sliced hot dogs.

    We'll make 3 boxes worth and fridge the leftovers for quick dinners for a couple more days.

    Don't be throwing slander at the vast usefulness of the glorious hot dog.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We don't have this product in my country so I call this cheap looking food for people who can't cook.

    But money is tight all around, so if this is all you can afford, I hope things get better for you soon..

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    What the hell is this? are you supposed to eat that?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    People will probably look forward to eating that shite

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I can afford steak and chicken every night, and I still love me some Helper.

    Don't yuk someone else's yum. Enjoy your kale or whatever dog shit you enjoy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Pain.

    The Hamburger Helper brand sucks. Buy the store brand version. I personally enjoy the "Lasgana Skillet Meal". Has more flavor than HH, and a bit cheaper too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    T-rumps in a blanket.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Caution! Yellow fat emulsion was prepared on machines that can contain traces of actual cheese!

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