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[–] 128 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I just don’t know what the FIFA Peace Prize means these days.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Probably gonna need to be updated soon.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    America itself will soon be on the list.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Soon? The American people are under attack. Their constitution is under attack.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    But they're not being literally bombed by their military. That's the "soon" part.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That's just the ones directly. That's none attacked by paid proxy terrorist forces.

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  • [–] 102 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    The real story here isn’t asshat Trump. It’s that the US can’t keep its hands to itself, and it’s been that way for decades. Trump is just the new boss. The next one will also attack various countries.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ah 'both sides'. Yes. The quantity of countries per president doesn't matter.

    Yes, it's bad that other presidents authorized attacks on other countries that they shouldn't have. But also yes, Trump is objectively the greater evil.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Literally both sides. There's a reason the term "foreign policy consensus" exists. And if we're merely looking at quantity per president, Obama was a bigger warmonger than Bush.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, I don't see establishment democrats doing much different when it comes to foreign policy.

    Any war Trump starts, they'll perpetuate and support. They MIGHT start less of them, but they'll continue any existing ones and start a few of their own with the right incentives.

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    [–] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There's a Joe in the George column

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    nO nEw WaRs!

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The Yanks have always been war mongering pieces of shit.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And apart from the revolutionary war never had troops invaded them, so the general public has no idea what a war is actually like

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    You're thinking of the War of 1812, but otherwise, yeah. There have been Wars on US soil since then, but no foreign invasions.

    Even counting civil conflicts, The Mine Wars were an entire gun shooting, bomb dropping, war in West Virginia, and even that was 100 years ago, in the 1920s.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Probably gonna add Canada, Mexico and Cuba to that list here soon. The old codger is getting desperate.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    One of them is a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago*

    I, for one, want to thank our glorious USA overlords, for not nuking any new countries this decade. And for not (again) financing terrorist in my country this decade (well, at least nothing got reported); nor black sites (this decade), and only manipulating our elections and financing far right parties. And making sure the "tech" giants keep exploiting us.

    I am so lucky. /s

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    The most peaceful president everyone

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Why is America not on this list? ICE are terrorists hell-bent on destroying America in trump’s name.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    It’s kinda surreal that of this chart, every country that Trump and W bombed, Obama did too

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Obama appointed bush's minister of war and economy before inauguration. He was a wolf in sheep's clothes.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I probably would have fallen for it, granted I was sixteen when he was elected for his second term

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I remember (canadian here) in grad school and my class asked if it could be canceled because of the inauguration and I stood up and said, no, I am paying for this class. My peers sneered but I dont care. I had the right hunch. Obama was a neoliberal warmaker. To be fair, even Obama doesnt understand why he got the novel peace prize (he has admitted it multiple times). Ill give him that!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    I’m sorry that you got pulled into that crap, I celebrate the distinct and vibrant culture of Canada 🇨🇦

    Of course you could have been attending grad school in the states as a Canadian as well, I don’t know your story

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Weird wording, so I had to look this one up to confirm.

    First we don't have "Minister of War" or "Minister of Economy." I'm guessing you meant Secretary of Defense and Secretary of Commerce?

    You're right about Sec Def. Obama nominated Robert Gates and said it was to fulfill a campaign promise he made to have a Republican in his cabinet. Seems fucking insane to choose that cabinet position out of all of them for it...

    However I'm confused by who you're referring to with the second part.

    For Commerce, according to wiki, he nominated Bill Richardson (D) who had to withdraw.

    He then nominated Judd Gregg, who was a Republican apparently. However, since he was the current Senator in New Hampshire, his appointment would have given Dems a Senate Super Majority.

    Gregg eventually withdrew.

    Eventually, Democrat Gary Locke was chosen and served.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Yeah not american, i dont always remember your unique names for things. The defense secretary was engaging in war so minister of war is fine for me (im from a parliamentary context).

    Yes I meant Robert Gates which was an insane choice. And my bad i remembered them nominating a republican commerce secretary and that was enough for me to write off Obama (and rightfully so).

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Really puts the Yemen situation into high relief. We've been at war with them for over 20 years, but we keep pretending they attacked us out of the blue a few years ago.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The big attack on the US we were focused on in the Middle East for a bit was the attack on the USS Cole in October of 2000. We were ramping up for possible action in response to it over the next 11 months, but then 9/11 happened and everyone forgot Yemen existed again.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This would be cooler if it had sources

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Fake news. The fifa peace prize award winner would never do anything like this.

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    *kinetically attacked

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Didn't Bill Clinton authoritize any strikes during 2000, or is 2000 excluded from the 21st century?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    No need for nuance

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I thought it would be bigger.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Trump bombed Pakistan? When?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Btw, do the # of wars per quarter century increase?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It obvious that no is not even an option as answer for the obvious, damn.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    What does it say about our current political environment that it isnt immediately clear to me if this graphic is being used to imply "both sides" or "trump bad"?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Why isn't the USA on the list?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Obviously, we just need to vote blue no matter who harder!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I wonder what our current path would be if the Nobel committee threw a peace trinket at trump a while back?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You look at this graphic, and still think it's about Trump's personality?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    No. I'm just curious about his knee-jerk response to something shiny. He's very conflicted. To be fair though, it seems to me most things everywhere nowadays are about trump's personality. Sorry, I just cannot bring myself to capitalize the trump proper noun.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I have mixed feelings here. I'm not happy with us attacking a lot of places, BUT....... not ALL of it has been for totally "oil" reasons. But at the same time, for a long time I've argued that if we go in to "help" some places, it's funny how we don't genereally "help" places in, for example, Africa when you have people killing each other - THOSe people are FINE killing each other.

    Or, I suppose, supporting Israel over Palestine and standing by as thousands and thousands are murdered.

    I'm just saying, I guess, that not all of the shit the US has done has been for the wrong reason, but a lot of it has. But at the same time, we've done some things that others wanted to get done, but we went in and did it.

    I'm..... look........ this sounds like I'm trying to defend the US, and I guess I am a little, but not very much, okay?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There are three african countries in this list

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, alright, I didn't articulate very well perhaps because I'm already verbose and people bitch at me "toooo loongggg didn't reeeadddd lolololol".

    We intervened in the Baltics edit: Balkans, d'oh/haha, but not in various places like Rwanda. That's more of what I was trying to get at.

    We "freed" Kuwait, but ignore many places under similar circumstances.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    When the USA helps someone militarily, it is:

    • a deal with the devil for the receiving faction
    • and never pans out the way it should

    What about just keeping your fucking hands off other countries? If the US really wanted to help, they would do 3 things:

    • abolish veto rights in the UN security council
    • acknowledge the ICC
    • give the UN troops for peace missions where needed

    Edit: this doesn't even touch the issue of your corrupt piece of shit president using the USA as a vehicle to make "deals" that only enrich himself - in other words extortion.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Venezuela is missing.

    Also, If you count conflicts that the US either started or keep inflamed as either proxy wars or just to serve capitalist imperialism, the list is much longer. Palestine, Sudan, India/Pakistan (Kashmir), Myanmar, Russia/Ukraine and Congo come to mind immediately.

    Also, how about economic warfare? Have to put Cuba and North Korea and every other country the US sanctions on there. After all, US sanctions have killed 38 million people in the last 50 years.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What a spectacularly wrong comment. Literally everything is wrong.

    Venezuela is on the list.

    None of those examples are about capitalism or imperialism. And Pakistan is on list.

    Sanctions numbers pulled out of ass.

    The US does enough evil and/or dumb shit that we don't need to make up shit to criticize them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    You’re right, I did miss Venezuela/Pakistan on there. Everything else is correct and can be backed by evidence though.

    These are all about imperialism and capitalism. It is the entire reason the US gets involved in any conflict. Here’s an example of how the US funds the Sudan genocide through arms sales to the UAE: https://www.commondreams.org/news/sudan-atrocities-us-support-uae Why does it do this? Because Sudan used to have a strong communist movement and capitalism is threatened by communism. You can find similar threads leading back to the US for every other country I mentioned.

    My numbers for death by US sanctions were literally pulled from a study published by the Lancet, not my ass: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext

    Unfortunately the US is way more evil than most people think.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Did you even read your source? It does not claim any of that. And the rest is just your opinion, which is even less serious, given that even source info is wrong.

    I'll repeat: there's plenty of good reasons to criticize the US, no need to make shit up. Read the source for a few good ones.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    and all those reasons for trump is, whenever anything related to the epstein files were going to be released that month.

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