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[–] 52 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The Nordics, Finland, and Estonia are just doing an exchange program.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Fun little triangle there between Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 month ago (5 children)
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    Its funny cause then when youre talking about estonia youre suddenly buddies with finland again cause "estonia is basically eastern europe"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Finnish and Estonian languages are closely related. Unlike Finnish and other Nordic languages.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yup, i liv in sweden and im hungarian so i know my stuff with uralic languages. I think its mainly about estonia not being on the peninsula, but neither is denmark. The absolute most northern part of denmark is about as north as the mosy southern part of estonia and also estonia is seperate from latvia and lithuania as those are balto-slavic while estonia is uralic as mentioned previously which puts it with finnish and sami in northern europe. Estonia is also very modern and has a well oiled welfare system(at least from the outside, would gladly hear the opinion of an estonian) so all of these make estonia feel pretty nordic.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Afaik from Helsinki to Tallinn it's like thirty minutes on a ferry, so even tourists tend to visit the latter together with the former. (Which, I now realize, I failed to think of when sitting in Helsinki not knowing what else to do.)

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    I like looking at these kinds of maps and finding the stable spots.

    Norway -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Norway is one.

    There's also Switzerland -> France -> Switzerland.

    The UK escapes being part of one of those cycles by choosing a country that's off the map as their escape.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    This makes me wonder how does the graph diagram wind up looking like. Most nodes seem to end in a Germany-Switzerland-France loop

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    And then there's the edge case of England going literally outside of the continent, with Australia

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    The other side of the world: for when you really need to get as far away from it all as you can.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That's because Brits would rather move to the literal other side of the globe where everything wants to kill you than learn a second language.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Russians also move to Kazakhstan

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Right, I keep forgetting Russia is still partly in Europe

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that's actually still bigger than most European countries

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Some countries like Turkey are part of both Europe and Asia on technicalities. They straddle the border so they get to be part of both.

    Then there's Russia, where the population is mostly in Europe, but the land is mostly in Asia.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The European part of Turkiye is still about twelve million people as well, it's not like Russia but it is still a pretty substantial number of people. It'd be the 12th-most populous country in Europe if it was independent

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe's entire population. It's a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.

    Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia's entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That's warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they're not much colder than Moscow.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    i feel there's a big difference in how the parts of the countries culturally relate to each other, too.
    Like i'm not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it's 1) a massive distance, 2) there's a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.

    To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It's deceiving in multiple ways. Like of course more Romanians emigrate to Germany than to Belgium or Luxembourg, Germany is many times larger. They should add the to-country base population and/or surface to the equation.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    i'm seeing three dominant patterns: the aussie funnel, the nordic maelstrom and the franco-swiss oscillator.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    Lol the Swiss want to be French and the French want to be Swiss.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I suppose young french, would like to have better salary... young swiss just want to spend their money on good food, for once

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I have not tried swiss food, but oof. Still, I have been to only two places which might be close to beating france in terms of average quality of food.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    As a French, I have to say that their way of doing raclette is more expensive than ours but also tastes even better.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    What's the key difference? Can I try it at home?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with "grenaille" potatoes (basically a variety that's really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)

    You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:

    When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though.
    To be honest I'm not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you've got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.

    Also there's kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Ohh, I don't think I will buy the wheel holder thing, or a wheel of cheese for that matter, but I think I'll try making that myself the simple way.

    Thanks for taking the time to type that out, it was intriguing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    They actually sell Raclette appliances in German-speaking countries. They’re little square frying pans with a little grill you put them under. Raclette is sold pre-sliced for them. It’s not as fun as a big block of molten cheese but it’s a nice communal meal like a hotpot.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure those are sold all over Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    You can get them at (slightly bougie) grocery stores here in the US, I'd be shocked if you couldn't lay hands on one in pretty much any EU country.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I know you can get pretty much anything in the US (or in the EU, for that matter). I'm not sure what the bougie (which means candle) is supposed to do in this context, but we do have candle sales... for wins, as in you start the bets, and when the candle go out, the last bet is it, it's a yearly thing. Maybe US grocery stores work in a similar way? I never saw it, maybe I just wasn't around at the right time. The US is a fascinating place.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Ah sorry, 'bougie' (sometimes spelled 'boujee' and pronounced "boo-gee") is a common english slang term meaning "associated with the bourgeoisie". Or in my case, it's a slang term that means "I cannot remember how to spell bourgeoisie".

    That's super interesting about the candles though - despite the prevalence of online betting right now, the US really doesn't have much of a casual betting culture so that sounds pretty fun from an outsider's perspective! If you don't mind, what country / what's the tradition called? I'd love to hear more!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Yeah that's the "normal" raclette appliances you can get anywhere in France, from roughly 20 to 100€ depending on the model/brand. It still tastes amazing, because, duh, it's melted cheese with potatoes and charcuterie, but as you said, not as fun (and getting big blocks of cheese basically forces you to buy the good quality stuff, whereas the industrially pre sliced ones are often of much lower quality)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Russians to Kazakhstan? Is this voluntary emigration?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I would guess it was very different before the war started, but I can't find a good source nor for this, neither for pre-2022 stats. Now there are at least some companies that moved to Kazakhstan because it was a relatively easy move

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Most well educated young adults who emigrate do so for better wages. Shocker.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Which one is it for Slovenia?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I live in Finland and we're looking to moving into Sweden or Norway.. It's rough here. Everything is expensive, can't get or afford healthcare, no jobs.. We just want a little house and some simple jobs to barely sustain or little family, and to be able to go to the doctor if sick. Not possible in Finland at the moment or in the near future.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Isn't healthcare free in Finland?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    It used to be nice, it's still nice if you're dying. The big problem is getting there as some data suggests Finland now has by far the longest wait times to see a doctor in Europe. Current government implemented austerity measures combined with economic difficulties since the 90s recession that screwed us over.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Lol, no, not in any way. :DDD

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    well don't go to sweden expecting better healthcare, the previous right wing government has been very busy ruining everything with privatization.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It might still be better compared to not getting any.. It's not like we need help every week and so on. I got lots of family in Northern Sweden, and they all just say it's all good and they get easily what they need and even can go to specialists fast. (Yes, on public side.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    not sure you want to use northern sweden as a good example, considering how there have been news articles about people having to drive for hours to give birth in a hospital because their local one closed..

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    I appreciate that Scandinavia doesn't show a clear preference except for staying in Scandinavia

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Didn't really expect people wanting to migrate into Poland.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hasn't Poland doing very well over the last few years? So well, that in fact, here in germany more Poles are going back to Poland than new Poles are coming to germany lol. All because in germany the rents are high, and even more importantly, your net pay sucks since you gotta pay a lot for social security, and those social security costs that get deducted from your pay keep rising, leaving you with an ever smaller net pay.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What is the link between Portugal and Switzerland?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Brits on their way to leave the continent:

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Least surprised - Turkey. I grew up there, oddly common to have a religious uncle living in Germany.

    Most surprised - Russia. Kazakhstan??

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Fuck Germany. I'm German. Honestly don't go there if you have better choices. Not because I don't want you here, you're more than welcome. Because you'll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we're exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.

    I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.

    Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Just love how Scandinavia is just a circle. XD

    Edit: or, I guess, a triangle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    There do seem to be quite a few Italians in Barcelona currently

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    My wife has a friend who is a German-born Swiss resident and yeah this map checks out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is why they call Aussies, crazy sunny Brits.

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