Or something that goes a bit deeper onto each instance and explains them better? I have a mutual on mastodon that I recommended Lemmy to, and tried to link join-lemmy.org/instances, but it doesn't really do much to warn about hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml/etc. Those instances are defederated from a LOT of lemmy and i don't want my moot to sign up there and not even know that they're not really experiencing the Lemmy experience that I'm recommending.

I don't wanna start a war in the comments about instance dramas, I just wanna find a better resource to recommend Lemmy as a 'reddit alternative' -w-

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[–] 14 points 1 month ago (17 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    People who love authoritarianism and intentionally skip over their atrocities, the term "tankie" refers to how the military (tanks) were used to crush the rebellions of many authoritarian regimes, notably, the Hungarian uprising in 1956 being crushed by the Warsaw Pact and the Tianamen square massacre in 1989 by the PRC.

    It's usually used to refer to supporters of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc. who deny all the bad, inhuman things about those states.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    All states are authoritarian, that's literally what the structure of a state is. Does that mean the only non-tankies are anarchists?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Roughly speaking, authoritarian/big-state communist. Very common on a certain subset of Lemmy instances.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    So, like a far left beyond DSA or something?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    More people who kiss the toes of dictators. Those who ignore the atrocities of Stalin and similarly despicable figures, "tankie" as in the tanks used to silence civilian protests

    Anarchists are far left, but they would be very insulted if you called them tankies (their whole thing is anti-authoritarianism!)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    It's a social construct and used similay by libs how "woke" is used by conservatives as a thought terminating cliche. I've seen it used for anyone left of Bernie sanders. Libs and chuds use it to create a straw man. In this case by claiming that "tankies" love dictators that crush people with a tank.. lol

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Someone who supports socialist state regardless of human rights violations. You'll get a million other responses but the through line is that tankies support existing socialism at the cost of human lives.

    they're called tankies because they represent the tank in this picture.

    1000004667

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    ALSO it would be SO cool to see a map where instances are mapped by federation and bigger if they had a lot of users, like thefedi verse logo but actual instances

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    I've had fine interactions with one of the devs, anyway. Not so much individual users.

    I unsubscribed from all their communities I'd formerly signed up to because of too many toxic interactions.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I joined years before the first reddit exodus and back then the .ml instance was one of like three available instances.

    I keep reading about instances blocking .ml and everybody on .ml being a tanky but I just wanna browse memes 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    All that's unfortunate and understandable, but for a long while I simply didn't care what instances a user was from. My opinion was gradually turned by too many .ML users basically having the worst possible take upon something, making it extremely unpleasant to talk to them about whatever the subject was.

    Again, I didn't really care about the reputation stuff for a long while, and wanted to make my own decision on the matter. They kinda wound up making it for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Idk, I give everyone some grace at first until they come out with the most batshit opinion conceivable. It's not every .ml user, but it's usually an .ml user. And the communities are flooded with the worst .ml users.

    Just today, I was banned and had all my comments deleted in a thread. What did I say? A commenter said that victims of Republican domestic policy deserve it because they live in a country that has done bad things to the global south. I pointed out that those domestic victims (e.g. immigrants) aren't the same people who victimized the global south. They said I couldn't fully trip them, and doubled down on the privilege of domestic victims. I said they were a sociopath and that's literally the same argument people make to justify killing Palestinian kids. Banned and deleted.

    Again, it's not that every .ml user is an evil red fascist tankie, but a lot of them are and they flock together.

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    I brought the same energy I was given, which was not civil. The tell is that the uncivil comments of the .ml user were unaffected, and the comments I made which were civil were also removed.

    If you're interested, I can try to recall my exact comments. The first was, roughly, "Do you think the children crushed by the domestic machine are responsible for the pain inflicted on the global south?"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    if rules are applied unequally, i'd kind of want to find a different instance

    Then you should find a different instance. The '"civility" rule, based on personal experience, is just an excuse to take action against people who disagree with the groupthink. I've never seen it used against an uncivil person who toes the ideological line.

    Official rules being straightforward doesn't mean the enforcement of those rules is consistent. The real rules are "Agree with the .ml ideology and you can say whatever you want. Disagree, and a justification to ban will be found".

    Also I don't think you can really be "banned" from the platform. You can be banned from instances, but there are other instances. If you follow rules, most instances will be fine for you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    i think its usually one of the lemmygrad devs that crashes out quite often that you avoid.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    It's various users, and I forgot to mention HexBear as well. I'm all for Palestine, but one time at my community I posted an excerpt about a moderate-minded Jewish guy in Israel, and they lost their excrement. Dogpiled the post and started screaming the most outrageous stuff, way out of proportion to the actual example.

    And it was just a comic book.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Not seen this link https://lemmyverse.net/communities

    That lists every Lemmy instance

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How about pointing them at Piefed instead?

    You could point them to the instance chooser. It's on every piefed instance but is decentralized so may be different on different instances, here's piefed.social: https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser

    Piefed has all the same content but a different feature set and worse app support, but app support is growing.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    oh that's right! I forgot about piefed. I would like to switch but this is my 3rd account switching instances and I'm not excited about starting all over again 🙁

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Piefed and Lemmy can both import your settings (including subscriptions) from another account.

    Piefed can important Lemmy subscriptions/settings as well, but Lemmy can only do Lemmy I think.

    You can't bring your posts/comments but you don't have to start from scratch.

    Edit: typo

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    ITT: tankies downvoting everyone

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    ITT: Liberals whinging about ”tankies” participating on the free, open source social media platform that they themselves created.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Go whitewash an Uyghur reeducation camp or something.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Free career training to help people improve their material conditions, the horror!

    At least some of you have stopped perpetuating the “genocide” propaganda, so props for that.

    We’re not going anywhere, but you can always go back to Reddit, which I left at the same time as you: the APIpocalypse.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (13 children)

    "I don't want to start a comment war, I just want to spew anticommunism while receiving zero pushback" isn't going to work on Lemmy. You can block the instances and comments and posters, but this entire thing is built by communists. You will never have a liberal paradise in these parts.

    FYI .ml is federated with almost every single instance. You're just making shit up to get mad about.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So anything you don't agree with is liberalism? They didn't mention their views anywhere, this sounds a lot like projection. Figures for a .ml user I suppose.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    One doesn't need to broadcast one's views in some formal fashion to be criticized for them, nor do I need your approval to call people out for their statements being riddled with Capitalist-apologia. The dude literally has "tankie" in the title.

    The OP said anticommunist things — they don't have to admit to being an anticommunist for me to judge them for their statements and claims.

    By your logic, one could literally spew the most insane fascist rhetoric imaginable, and as long as they don't declare their views fascist, it would be a leap of faith to criticize their views. Utter intellectual juvenility.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    My mutual is very anti authoritarian, that's why they got a warning on Reddit. I imagine they aren't welcome on your instance 😂

    FYI .ml is federated with almost every single instance. You're just making shit up to get mad about.

    Like I said

    Or something that goes a bit deeper onto each instance and explains them better?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The truth is that .ml doesn't screen for ideology past a basic formality. However, many .ml posters have indeed studied enough Marxist-Leninism to recognize that the word "authoritarian" was perverted by imperialists to mean "communist" and is more of an indication that someone using it is clueless than it is a useful adjective.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    ngl it's always weird when certain very loud 'anti-authoritarians' have no problem with the system that unpersons you if you can't pay rent

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    have no problem with the system that unpersons you if you can't pay rent

    I never said that?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    It's implied by making the distinction in the first place.

    Liberals in leftist spaces and nazis in liberal spaces act the same way. You think you can outsmart your own affectations by not 'saying the thing' explicitly.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And yet ml users simp for Russia, China, and NK. All three are authoritarian regimes, and nowhere near any sort of “communism”.

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    Right, like I said, using the word 'authoritarian' makes you look clueless. Case in point.

    Also, 'regime' is an imperialist codeword for 'government we don't like' and has no actual meaning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    Did you know that the reason “tankies” created Lemmy in the first place was because Reddit kept banning anything left of neoliberalism? All corporate social media platforms suppress anti-capitalists, and they especially suppress Marxist-Leninists, because they represent the most serious threat to capitalism.

    Edit to add: Also, lemmy.ml is one of the most federated instances.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    does lemmy.ml federate hexbear?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Yes. It federates with everyone except for spam instances and fascist instances.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    isn't hexbear an online Nazi stronghold?

    are Nazis not fascist anymore?

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    ah.

    that must be why it was defederated by so many mainstream communities.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Hexbear user since a couple days of their launch before federation was a thing. The instances you’re knocking are older than every other instance, and the defeds were typically preemptive to the point where people on other instances usually have no fucking clue what they’re talking about.

    Always makes this stuff bewildering, but we’ll be here with you or not.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, it’d be nice to get a list of communities that don’t have people whining about capitalism in every comment pool.

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