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[–] 119 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Damn liberals always telling you what to do.

Conservatives just make it prohibitively expensive to do what you want to do.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This administration is going to accidentally encourage a ton of earth friendly behavior. Won’t offset the evil being done, but it’s kind of funny.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Bread and water for you. And you'll like it!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Bread and circuses is more like it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    *CORNbread - don’t forget the subsidies. Those farmers know on which side their bread is buttered. While I’m at it - ethanol for fuel… it’s all to encourage homegrown solutions.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do you want to know why corn is subsidized? When mexico was producing good corn at a good price many years ago, they were undercutting US cereals for livestock growth. The US basically said, fuck mexico, and just paid the farmers to grow corn in the US just enough so they could sell their corn at a slightly lower price. It devastated Mexican farmers who had built a system of selling corn to the cereal grain hungry US. My native Mexican coworker told me in great detail about that one.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    If food is too expensive, don't eat.

    -Republicans

    Famine makes ecconomic sense

    -Also Republicans

    Why aren't the plebians having kids? We need more wage slaves! Maybe outlawing abortion is the solution.

    -Republicans, again

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I was in an argument just yesterday on the "not having enough kids" subject where people were insisting that younger generations are choosing to live in "expensive places" and that they should move to "cheaper places" so they can start families. As if the idea of abandoning their lives, careers and friends to go live out in the boonies in order to provide a bare-minimum QoL for their family is going to change any dual-income-no-kids couples' minds.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There are no cheap places to move. In the USA, anyway. Anywhere that has “affordable” homes has no jobs, so they’re not actually affordable. And employers are getting harder about remote work. It’s very frustrating because I would happily move to a “less expensive area” but I can’t afford it 😂

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    "Clearly, this generation knows nothing of hardship. It may not seem like it but we live in the most equitable period in the history of the US and the tools and technology available to you give you no excuse for failure. The previous generations had the Great Depression and World Wars and all you do is complain. Instead of living selfishly beyond your means, try living on a budget. You don't need to have money to start having kids, there are people living in poverty all over the world and that's not stopping them."

    Obviously, just about the biggest /s I've ever /s'ed. These are just an example of the things people have said to me, taken more or less verbatim.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Is Trump about to give the same inadvertent boost to plant-based diets and the environment as he did for renewables?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    He's so far right that he's popping out on the left like in Kid Icarus. Did you hear about those $5k socialism checks? EVs are getting adopted en masse. Now reducing beef in diets? What's next, common sense gun control? Fully legalized cannabis? Trust busting?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    It's too bad he's holding up gigantic projects like wind and solar. Also, many subsidies for EV and rooftop solar disappeared. So, yeah, if he brought that back, demand might shoot way up thanks to the failed policies of donnie.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yet when Michelle Obama merely suggested that Americans eat better and exercise, the pedo GOP blew a gasket.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago

    Oil and beef are expensive. 😞

    Oil and beef are expensive. 😀

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Good message, wrong reasoning.

    Ecologists have been telling people [from rich countries] to minimize beef consumption or drop it altogether for years, but not because of its price tag.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    not because of its price tag

    I get what you mean, and agree, but want to point out that at least in a sense, it is because of the price tag: the cost to the environment and to others, in the form of water use, land use, carbon and methane emissions, etc. Internalizing those external costs would make beef cost more money at the point of sale.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    “But if it is too expensive — unlike fuel, Benny — you can eat chicken, pork, salmon, eggs."

    "Let them eat salmon." LOL.

    So there are alternative proteins. That's a free market situation. But there is no alternative to the petro-state. Doing less driving is communism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    If it free market it I completely cut off my consumption of ultimately useless Amazon junk, thus helping to produce less CO2 emissions from the manufacturing of useless Chinese Amazon junk?

    Nah, that’s commie shit too.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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    I forgot this ref, it's a ref, right?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    It's something that Marie Antoinette was accused of saying when French peasants were starving just before the French Revolution. Consensus is that she never actually did but it's a good little anecdote for rich people being blissfully unaware of real life.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And they said the democrats wanted to take away hamburgers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Well, she didn't tell them to eat rice and beans, which would have been too woke, I guess. Even if much smarter on a whole lot of levels.

    She pointed them at other animal foods, or as become the new fashion, "protein".

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    It is kinda nice that Impossible Steak Bites now costs less per unit of mass than beef does. Going vegetarian starting to make more sense every day...

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    That's good to hear. Given all the inputs into things like beef, plant-based should almost always be cheaper. I'm still irritated when something vegetarian/vegan on the menu is as expensive or even more expensive than the omnivore edition.

    Few things highlight the deep distortions that actual social engineering does to the marketplace as much as that.

    Of course, buying certain ingredients and making plant-based yourself can often be far cheaper than eating out.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Sometimes the cost of processing itself is non-trivial.

    Fermented sauces, for example, tend to be much more expensive than just the raw ingredients, because the process itself is complex (and requires significant labor and/or equipment to keep safe for human consumption).

    In order to make some of these plant based meat substitutes, the complex processes need to basically move enough volume to be able to take advantage of economies of scale. So we'll probably get there eventually, at least once these plant protein products become mainstream enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Yes, all fair, and I think you are right. Add in that they are trying to cut against the grain of a system that revolves around setting up huge incentives for beef production and it's going to be tough to match on price.

    Still, it's rather annoying.

    I tend not to eat many substitutes in most cases, especially at home. I don't really need the extra sodium of something like Impossible...

    I've been at places where the veggie options were rather limited, but they'd have burgers on the menu and you could sub in an Impossible Burger - for an extra $4. And last time I've eaten there was prior to Covid, so I'm sure it's even more now...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Do it. Not just because of cost, but because it’s the right thing to do.

    The upside too all of this shit? It’s making people take a hard look at how their lust for first-world consumption, immediate gratification and convenience is the very source of the problem we’re facing now.

    Making the right choice economical is just the icing on the cake!

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Capitalism will make vegans of us yet.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    I was gonna say sarcastically: "this will go down well with the maga base". But most of them will never hear it. And most of those who do will just scream "FAKE NEWS! LIBERAL HOAX!" And the few who don't do that will tie themselves in mental gymnastics knots.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    You forgot blaming Biden/Obama/Clinton for high prices they find in the store.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    These are the same dumbfucks that believe it when donnie or one of his stable of liars claim he inherited "the worst inflation in history", FFS. When it was actually ~2.9% when tiny-d donnie took office again.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    LOL, she was soooo close for a moment, I guess. She's still adhering to protein mythologies, it seems. It's 2026. Do people still not know?

    But I find it funny that the cons clutched their pearls so hard over Michelle suggesting kids get more exercise and eat vegetables. And now it's a con that is depriving them of beef and telling them to make do.

    I thought the liberals were going to make conservative eat bugs and live in a shoebox and own nothing?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    They are hypocrites, they don't care and neither does the electorate. They would have dragged her regardless of what she did or said. Remember they were making a commotion about a fucking tan suit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    RFK must be pissed at her for not promoting 100% ‘Murican BEEF TALLOW, a real pioneer man’s food.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    LOL, beef tallow.

    That reminds me, after reading the book Protein:

    I suppose she might have been able to promote cheaper alternatives like whey for people wringing their hands over their proteinmaxxing.

    But since that made a journey from waste product to being sold as a health food product, I suppose that price was jacked up, too.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    Cattle country hates this one trick!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Close enough... get the guillotines.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah bitch, we about to switch from beef to Eat the Rich.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    Lets eat the rich, then.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Got that Marie Antoinette energy.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    "Let them eat re-constituted soy!" (I've heard that before, but in a different language).

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    lol

    GOP: "we support farmers!!!!"

    also GOP: "oh, beef too much? buy something else"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Wait, which message did conservative radio give my brainwashed family members to parrot?

    "Eggs are too expensive, its the President's faukt." "Steak is too expensive, eat something else."

    I need to know what to expect at Thanksgiving.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Have you considered eating bugs yet MAGA?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Oh look, a rich person literally begging to be eaten.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago*

    Considering that beef is a potential carcinogen, it's actually good advice. Plus, cattle are a massive producer of methane, which is far worse for global warming than CO2

    Not to mention screw worms.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I agree, we should add some succulent, fattened long pork to our diets.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Okay. I mean the farmers might have something to say about it, but sure thing on my end. I love beef, but I ain't married to it for the fuck it all prices it's currently going for.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I also enjoy beef. I had been trying to cut back on red meat for health reasons, but recently, with the stuff that Trump has been doing, like cutting back safety and importing beef of unknown origins, I just completely stopped eating beef.

    I don't want to have to keep up with the news in order to know what's safe to eat.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I actually agree. Eat less beef and more vegetarian meals. I ate beef today but I also had vegetarian meals 4 days in the last week

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's not hard to have a vegetarian day. Think about it: on any given day maybe you have oatmeal or cereal for breakfast, then a PB&J for lunch, then all you have to do is have a CBR burrito for dinner, and BAM, you've had vegetarian day.

    I'm also not 100% vegetarian, but I try to be more often than not. Because of various compelling reasons.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It is a lot easier to commit to being a sometimes vegetarian than to give up all meat cold turkey. Eating less meat is better for health and for the environment

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Edit: I do want to also acknowledge though that if someone is reducing their meat consumption, that is great too. Any effort helps.

    This isn't necessarily true. I've seen interviews with plant-based health coaches who've talked about adherence being better when people do jump all in with a plant-based lifestyle. That's what worked for me too, partly motivated by what I saw in documentaries about factory farms and slaughterhouses, and partly motivated by seeing my own family members die from preventable diseases way younger than they could have lived. Our choices have consequences, so there is urgency.

    I went all in for as long as I could, messed up, then immediately tried again and pushed for even longer. Eventually something clicked in my mind and I knew, "I literally don't even need or want this."

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Beef, it's what's for dinner... unless you're too poor you worthless piece of shit

    -the Trump administration

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    “Cost of living too high? KILL YOURSELVES, STREET URCHINS!”

    • the wealthy
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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Wild horses couldn't tear some people away from eating beef, but they might be eating them instead soon.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    “Eat this toxic scrap meat we got from South America at a REALLY good price! It’s good for you!!!”

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