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[–] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

germany still to this day has cigarette vending machines. i saw one in a restaurant next to a retirement/care home a few days ago.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    How did this hilarious joke turn into several political and economic arguments?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I remember the bowling alley near me still had a cigarette vending machine as a kid. Right next to the video poker machines.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Better yet, I remember visiting Germany in 2015 and seeing cigarette vending machines on street corners!

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    While I’m sure child vending machines could be done despite the slew of ethical problems they’d inevitably create, I’m pretty sure that’s a job better left to mothers. They’ve had that whole process down pat for at least a decade or two; I don’t see much point in reinventing the wheel.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I have seen vending machines for beer that you have to swipe your passport/ID on so that it verifies your age. So ething sinilar could be done

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Any smoke/beer vending machine ive seen has always been in an establishment you need to be 21 to enter (bars/clubs) and they check ID at the door

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Oh in Japan I saw a beer vending machine that had no age verification just on the street near my hotel. As an adult it was great since I was jet lagged and tired from a day of work, but I was also hitting up the conbini anyways so I defaulted to getting my beer with my onigiri

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Random but do Americans use "scrounge" that's always seemed a very British word to me

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  • [–] 95 points 1 month ago* (47 children)

    Wife tried a 20mg weed gummy at a concert and was completely knocked on her ass. I went to a bachelor party and mindlessly chomped through a bar of brownies that had, like, six doses in it. These indie producers turn delicious pieces of candy into maximum strength pharmaceuticals. I've got a million other stories from friends and neighbors who had similar experiences.

    Nevermind the children, I don't think adults are capable of just taking this shit recreationally without some kind of supervision. Incidentally, that goes for alcohol and nicotine, too. "Oh, you just turned 21? Have a handle of Everclear. Knock yourself out." Madness.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Trying any drugs at random at a concert without someone who's real about dose and expectations is kind of...well, a bad idea in general.

    Those 20mg gummies tend to state each gummy is 2-4 servings, at least mine do. It's why the previous source I bought from sold her Delta-8 gummies dosed to 5mg each to make it far easier to nail an exact dose.

    But, I also see absurd 600mg mixed THC (10% D-9, 90% D-8) ones that say "start by taking (quarter|half) of a gummy and wait several hours before trying any more" and like... that's irresponsible as hell to phrase, but I think the expectation is -- given them labeled "maximum strength" -- is that you know what you're good for before digging into those.

    I don't know what the happy medium here is on labeling and access, as I agree on the Everclear thing, but you do have to go into a store for that at least. And, to be fair, Everclear tastes like such ass even mixed with anything it has to be diluted down to like, wine strength to be drinkable generally from what I've seen, or at least cocktail strength.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Trying any drugs at random at a concert without someone who’s real about dose and expectations is kind of…well, a bad idea in general.

    How on earth is this an argument in favor of weed-gummy vending machines?

    you know what you’re good for before digging into those

    That's an absurd expectation.

    I don’t know what the happy medium here is on labeling and access

    I mean, just for absolute starters, I think giving THC the same regulatory treatment as alcohol and cigarettes makes sense. Even past that, regulatory limits on per-unit dosage and warning labels on packages that aren't 2-pt-font and maybe even a nurse or pharmacist on hand at point of distribution to give you someone with more experience to talk to would be a vast improvement.

    Everclear tastes like such ass even mixed with anything it has to be diluted down to like, wine strength to be drinkable generally from what I’ve seen, or at least cocktail strength.

    One experience I had in college that stuck with me was that, as someone gets drunker, their ability to self-regulate alcohol intake disintegrates. This is to the point that some of my friends who are 100 lbs skinnier than me were going shot for shot by the end of the night. And that always ended in disaster.

    The fact that Everclear tastes like ass doesn't dissuade someone who is already 3+ drinks in. Especially if they're just pounding them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I want weed gummy vending machines on every corner, basically they should be in my line of sight at all times.

    At the same time, I want that product to be tightly regulated and batch-tested for contaminants. The dose in each serving should be low low - I'm talking 1mg in each "piece". That way you can accurately dose as much as you want with 1mg precision, not just nibble and hope you didn't overdo it. Each package needs to include essential info that's easy for a beginner to read and understand.

    These are very compatible opinions.

    Most drug users are not wild outcasts who need to gobble up the highest dose. Those people exist somewhere but they're an extreme minority who happen to be loud.

    We want to get high - maybe even truly zooted. But we also want to stay safe and have a good time. We want a high degree of controls over what and how we choose to ingest. And we need the data so we know exactly what to expect. Highly-concentrated products don't do any favors, they're just the easiest to pump out at scale for a grey market audience who might not always know better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I think higher dose pieces should be available. 300 gummies are a lot and someone who's on chemo will struggle to put down a ton of small candies. I just think that it should have low dose options available and boldly state on the front (and back) of the package the content per individual piece. It should also have a standardized dose recommendation.

    If it was saying "1mg, very low dose, perfect for beginners and fine tuning" "5mg, low dose for regular users" "10mg, medium dose for frequent users" etc then I'm totally cool with it.

    Fundamentally, it should be like with everclear. A 21 year old can just buy some everclear, but it isn't being coy about the fact that it's over 2x the abv of hard liquor. And in general I'm in favor of alcohol also having to openly display proof or abv.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    At one point I did an improvised extraction of THC into olive oil. I significantly underestimated what 0.5g of weed contains when the majority is not wasted by burning it.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    THC affects you much differently when it's metabolized by the liver first, instead of going directly into the blood stream.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Can you share what the differences are?

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Edible thc is actually metabolized into a different kind of cannabinoid so instead of regular thc , you end up with 11-delta-9 thc, also called THC-COOH I think this particular form of thc is a stronger activaitor of your CB1 (cannabinoid) and CB2 receptors. This resulted in a more prolonged an intense effect all thanks to your liver.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    I’ve had hallucinatory effects with space cake, but nothing more than dizziness with smoking it. Even in small doses the effects of edibles hit different it’s not just a light high. Thanks for sharing the science.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I guess i should try that again.. ive done butter and coconut oil extractions, neither did shit for me.

    But then again I've only had potent weed gummies work for me one time ever, and that was 100mg, a dose that is both expensive and no longer does the job. I take 5mg for sleep sometimes and that works but I dont get anything fun out of any of it. I keep hearing stories of people being knocked on their ass and I want that!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I did butter last year with some of my homegrown. Couched 3 of my 4 testers (friends) with one saying that they were feeling it the next day, me? Nah bro I wasted a chocolate chip cookie by eating it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And here I gave up on edibles after eating way more than recommended and not getting the slightest buzz, I'll stick to flower and hash

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I only started trying weed in my late 30's and vaping/smoking it just does not appeal at all, so edibles it is.

    I have tried a few different kinds now from different vendors and I can tell you that there's a lot of variance out there. I'm was hoping I'd be able to dial in my "ideal" dose but 20mg from one vendor will absolutely send me while 20mg from another does precisely fuck all.

    I know if you smoke/vape it you can dial in your ideal much more carefully but 🤢

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Surely you could have googled to see a starter dose is 5-10mg.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    For people who dont smoke, 5-10mg of edibles is still a really bad time. I'm constantly having to remind my smoker friends of this when they're advising first timers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, 2.5mg is a great dose for someone with little tolerance.

    I support legalized psychedelics and party drugs and for them to be available at appropriate events, but the dose problem is a concern I have for it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    You're absolutely right to push back on this. 20mg was not the recommended dose, after all. Google is an excellent source of reliable information and it's always best to consult with a search engine any time you're researching recreational drug use.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Fair. But I get the vibe this event was pre-2024

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Or better yet, actually have lived a little as a teen when you were young enough to bounce back quickly and easily and known by adulthood exactly what your limits are and what dose will give you the best time.

    But failing that, for the people who waited til adulthood to remove the stick from their asses, yes, there are many ways to learn what you should start with, among them: asking the people who sold it to you (they have a vested interest in making sure you have a good time so you'll buy more), asking the people you're doing it with (they probably removed the sticks from their asses long enough ago to have some idea what's what), and yes, even Googling it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Adult here who has not yet "removed the stock from my ass", and never plan to. My ass, my choice.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Ok, as long as you aren't voting to mandate sticks in anyone else's ass, then you do you.

    But if you support banning things I might enjoy just bcs you don't or bcs some asshole convinced you my enjoyment of that vice was somehow a danger to children, then I genuinely hope someone kicks that stick far enough in to do some real damage.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Exactly why this shit is age restricted. Hopefully by 21 you have any sense of critical thinking and self preservation and know that drugs and alcohol should be taken in moderation. If you dont know what moderation is, ask some one, or google it. Or start slow and figure out what your line is.

    Be a grown up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Libertarian-ass response. "If you get yourselves fucked up using our product, you simply should have known better".

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  • It's one of the best parts of Libertarianism, if you want to ingest poison or hormones or bullets it should be your right to do so and the consequences should not be anyone else's fault but yours (unless the product was falsely labeled*)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Child-ass response. "Burden of my safety always lies on others only".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    “Burden of my safety always lies on others only”.

    In product liability cases?

    Nevermind that children would have access to a vending machine.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Nevermind that children would have access to a vending machine.

    Just like they have access to scissors. Yet we teach children what danger they carry and expect them - literal humans with stunted ability to foresee consequences - to behave safely with them. Which they do with some edge cases.

    Main difference between scissors and alcohol is we restrict people with said stunted ability to foresee from accessimg it, because it's use is nuanced and requires one to be fully responsible for themself. And we assume that an adult person is responsible for themself. Otherwise we ahould not sell knives, cars, allow hiking, bar windows by default...

    Stop offloading thinking to others and claim consequences of your own actions.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago

    Stop offloading thinking to others

    The irony of this statement is so thick you could choke on it.

    It's your laisse-faire thoughtlessness that's lead you to tolerate the recklessness of others. You're not thinking at all, just closing your eyes because it makes you feel safer.

    Ignorance is your Strength

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Canada seems to be doing this right. Legal edibles can't have more than 10mg and the packaging is so hard to open for children. Also the packaging is very distinct and impossible to be confused with regular food.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    10mg does nothing for me and I don't wanna eat a whole bag of sugar to get medicated so I actually hate this

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Yes, it horrifically gives you a full nights sleep.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Not for me. I've overloaded on edibles for sleep and every single time it just leaves me lying awake in bed with my thoughts

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Was going to say... My experience was this intense vertigo and nausea. Next morning I felt like absolute shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    My sister once accidentally gave me her cart set to the maximum voltage at a party I took a massive rip (copying what she does) and got ZOOTED. I was able to keep it together for some time, we went outside and set off sprinkler (fireworks) and got photos. Then I forgot what changed but while I was sitting on the couch while the whole world spun at 100 miles an hour and constantly reset itself to the center of my vision and I got soo motion sick. Then I puked into like 5 different empty cups on the table in front of me, people just kept handing me more empty cups until I emptied my stomach 😭

    I somehow managed not not make any mess at all, they were all talking about how it was "the most polite party puke" they've ever seen.

    My sister was so apologetic and reassured me that it's totally normal to have this happen and on the bright side now I know my limit. She shared a story about how she puked all over her car drunk on her second ever date with her (now) husband lol

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    To answer the question: fuck them kids.

    Anyone willing to restrict an adult's access to vices in order to "protect children" is an evil piece of shit who shouldn't be trusted around children or adults.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    Actually, "fuck them kids" seems to be the answer to why they do most things these days.

    Y'all remember the good ole days when all we had to deal with was the constant terror of some deranged lunatic starting a nuclear war and killing us all?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Just tried a vodka soda released in freezie flavors. Red, orange, blue, and white. They taste exactly like freezies, but have a couple in a row and you will realize the difference.

    I'm surprised no pearl clutchers have started yelling yet

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I used to buy cigarettes out of a vending machine at the local laundromat, as a child.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    And I gave a senior an extra buck behind the convenience store to grab a pack for me when he was grabbing packs for the other kids that had also done the same. I remember one of them was rolling joints and I probably could have bought one of those, too, while I was there, or maybe even something harder.

    So the law didn't stop me from getting smokes despite no machine being involved but it did give me reason to be in contact with people who could get a bunch of other things, too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I mean, just no. Flavored cigarettes were outlawed for this exact reason, and flavored Vapes probably should be too. They're marketed directly towards teenagers in an effort to get young adults hooked on them for the rest of their lives. How hard is that to understand?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Fuck. Them. Kids.

    If their useless parents can't parent them, that's the parents' failing. Flavored vapes and flavored cigarettes absolutely should not be banned, that was the top of a slippery slope and the people who'll gleefully go sledding down it should be openly mocked for their pathetic desires to Disnify the real world by everyone literate enough to know that the bottom of that slope is prohibition style gang wars. Nobody who wants to make something completely inaccessible to adults is interested in "protecting children", they're interested in controlling adults.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    people still think there's an award for raw dogging reality...SMDH...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Think of the children....

    ...unless you're a pedo. Then you should take a chemical castration gummy.

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