This is so much easier than pressing hard on the bottom side of the touchpad why did no one tell me this was a thing 😭😭

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[–] 31 points 2 months ago (1 child)

I'm glad you know it now because its so helpful! These have been around 17 or so years I believe.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    And three fingers tapping is often a middle-click or wheel-click, which is often a shortcut for 'open in new tab' while browsing the web. On some linux systems it is also a shortcut for paste if in a text input field.

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  • Middle click isn't a shortcut for paste in Linux, it's what Unix had before cut-copy-paste was invented.

    Highlighted text will be stored in what's called the Primary Buffer. This is separate from the "clipboard." Middle clicking in a text entry field will insert the highlighted text. No action needs to be copied. Watch, on a linux system:

    Open a GUI text editor. kwrite, gedit, libreoffice, whatever.

    Highlight and Ctrl+C this text: This text was stored in the clipboard.

    Simply highlight this text: This text was stored in the primary buffer.

    click in your text editor and middle click. Then hit enter for a new line, then hit Ctrl+V. Neat, huh?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    wait until you find out what happens when you drag your sack across it.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's how you right click on a Macbook.

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  • "secondary click" i have found unassigned in many a Mac. Like either they have been upgrading and using migration assistant to new machines, or it wasn't a default when they got the machine somehow. Telling someone to two finger tap vs double tap sometimes gets confusing as well so I write it as ctrl click for Mac users

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  • [–] 60 points 2 months ago (54 children)

    It's been on Apple products for a solid 20 years. On the PC side it totally depends on the hardware and drivers to support multi-touch

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  • [–] 53 points 2 months ago (28 children)

    Every laptop I ever used had this, I'm still bewildered that people don't know. I actually like touchpads because they give you a bunch of gestures a mouse just can't

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    • two finger swipe
    • three finger swipe
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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, two finger scrolling seems quite universal. Three fingers switch between virtual desktops on my system (Gnome).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It can also trigger overview if done upwards

    On kde you need 4 fingers for that instead of 3 for some reason

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Your mouse has alt and tab keys?

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  • I wish either my mouse or my numpad had a Tab key. I use a trackball, so I tend not to move my whole arm around the desk, I've gotten to where I'll strike my numpad enter key without lifting my hand off the mouse.

    For a lot of things, I wish there was a Tab key on that side of the keyboard.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Pinch to zoom on images and browsers, swiping left and right to go forward or back in a browser, switching virtual desktops

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Ctrl+scroll wheel to zoom. Mine had additional buttons for back and forward, some have scroll wheels that can be clicked left and right. Virtual desktop I don't use so dunno, but I think there's a quick keyboard shortcut.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yep, the mouse needs the keyboard for most of those.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You have your hand there pretty much by default. If you're doing anything you're using it for shortcuts anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure why you're being down voted. My left hand basically never leaves the home keys in a keyboard / mouse setup and I use various left hand + mouse combos to achieve all these things.

    I fucking hate touchpads and if I do use a laptop undocked I'll generally disable the touchpad when the mouse is plugged in.

    They're useful tricks if there's no mouse available of course. To each their own I suppose.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    On macOS you can do all kinds of crazy shit with gestures. Using a mouse feels very obsolete and slows everything way down.

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    Show/hide desktop, open window manager, open app drawer, scroll in all 4 directions, zoom in and out, you can press and then press harder for more functions sometimes

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Most of those I do with a keyboard trivially. Personally, I don't see the benefit. Keyboard shortcuts are superior 99% of the time, and KDE supports mouse gestures as well (though I don't use them), so you don't even need a track pad for most of them.

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  • Yeah swipping between screens or forward backward in the browser up and down the browser page, used to be 4 fingers up to mission control and I can't remember all of them. It really did make movement pretty fluid. Now they do a thing that I believe is only integrated to Apple apps where if you are signed into your Apple account you can continue between devices fairly simply. Like if you have an email/texg open on the iPhone and walk up to your Mac an icon appears on the dock far right with a phone symbol, you tap it and it opens the mail/messages/safari app to where you were and wrap what you were doing. I believe it does the opposite as well by opening the phone, going to app switcher and the active app on the Mac will be an option to continue on the iPhone

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    There are some gestures you can perform on a touchpad, but not on a mouse, but KDE on Linux supports mouse gestures as well. I don't think Windows, or even Mac, does though.

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  • Mac had gestures for both trackpad and their "magic" mouse. I've never bought an Apple product for myself, but I have repaired and worked on many in the past and I'll say their trackpad has been great for years. That said the top of it used to be a glass, so when you'd do repairs they actual install instructions would have you tear a sticky note/paper and put them between all the edges to set it in the center then pull them out to ensure it was centered and wouldn't crack by hitting the edge.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I think the two finger right button tap has been there on all PC laptops I've used since the early 00s, even the lower mid range ones. Most of them have supported two finger scrolling anywhere on the trackpad but a few only did one finger along the edges like the 90s, along with customizable corners and zones and whatnot. Gestures and three finger tap for middle button or other functionality though was random until mid 2010s when it too was widely supported. That is, if we are speaking brand laptops and not junk OEMs or low end garbage.

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  • [+] 11 points 2 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    two fingers to right click has been on literally every Windows or Linux touchpad enabled device I've ever encountered.

    Sounds like you haven't been playing with computers very long cause it took almost a decade for Linux and Windows to add that. It wasn't added till Windows 10, and Linux added synaptics drivers maybe a year before M$.

    Like yeah synaptics had drivers or in 2007 ish but it wasn't on every machine

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (13 children)

    Unix with a solid GUI on top

    Automation built into the GUI, with a dedicated language or accessible via the API.

    Thousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI, including tons of open-source ones because programmers love Mac for the Unix. Including stuff like Hammerspoon and Alfred, the likes of which Linux users have never seen.

    "the company actively hostile to power users"

    Apple haters are like a broken record.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    So you're just an emptyhead who flaps the mouth but can't answer when asked an actual question. Nice to know. As I said, you're not a power user, you simply chose one readymade system instead of another. Never pipe up again about how things are for power users.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    So, you've been telling me that I don't need Hammerspoon in Linux to do things. Tell me, in Linux Mint, how do I monitor the current app and invoke a certain background command when a particular app is focused or when it's closed. You're claiming that this is possible out of the box.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

    the fact you have to use β€œthousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI”

    What, like when you have to have a program or a widget in Linux or Windows to do some UI stuff? Which program might not be there out of the box? Idk why it's such a difficult concept for Mac haters that when you have an app doing some UI tweaks, it's the same thing in every OS. Mac UI is just conservative by itself, the same way as some Linux GUIs are barebones β€” which is somehow paraded as great success by Linuxoids but is looked down upon when Mac is doing it.

    or use hammerspoon or Alfred instead of having options

    You don't "have" to use Hammerspoon or Alfred, but you can use them to do advanced stuff. Which you can't do in Windows or Linux, because there's nothing quite like these apps there. Alfred has some feeble analogues, while there's bupkis like Hammerspoon aside from Autohotkey for Windows with its shitty 80s-style language and limited abilities. The fact that there isn't a Hammerspoon-like app for Linux is a travesty, considering Linux users go on all day long about how it's customizable and caters to power users. And by the way, if you look at Hammerspoon and Alfred and don't know why you might want to use them, you're not a power user.

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    a strawman about windows/Linux needing 3rd party apps as well is just silly

    You're right here. Windows now needs third-party apps to remove "features", not to add them. That's the biggest difference between Windows and Mac these years. As for Linux, it always was and remains a toss-up as to whether the widget you want is installed, so I don't see the fucking distinction. It's not like Linux has every widget under the sun installed by default, is it? That would be pure madness.

    Again, I invite you to look into Hammerspoon and Alfred for what UI interaction could be like, if you have even the slightest scripting chops. For example, my Android phone could hand off the Bluetooth headphones via the Automate app to the Macbook or vice versa, via drop-down widgets on the phone or a custom command on the laptop. With Linux, I have to kludge up my own endpoints with an Nginx webserver, no less, with barely any desktop APIs available through the command-line.

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    The question is not whether KDE Connect is available for any given OS (it reportedly works on Windows and MacOS; and also word is that iPhone's integration with Mac beats the pants off any kind of third-party package). Switching the headphones from the phone to the desktop is just one of infinite things that Hammerspoon can do, and if you don't understand that, you're not and never were a power user β€” especially since you "don’t want to learn a scripting API", which is what power users do day in and day out. The fact is that no desktop automation like Hammerspoon is available for Linux, which is a complete failure on part of Linux advocates.

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    Unlike yourself? Who straight up said you don't want to deal with a scripting API, while claiming to be a 'power user'? A scripting API is what allows a power user to be a power user, and it was there in MacOS since 1993.

    Again, if you have no idea how you could use Hammerspoon, you're not a power user at all. You're just a kiddie using big words.

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    By the way, perhaps you could inform me as to how one sets up their environment to reliably pause playback when the play/pause keyboard key is pressed. Because apparently it's too hard for Linux.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Thinkpad nipple gang RISE UP!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Oh man, my first laptop, 300 ish MHz thinkpad 600 600 ish MHz thinkpad t20(ish). Man I loved that thing. Bought it with no hard drive, didn't know about bootleg windows, so I learned Linux. DSL, in fact. Those were the days.

    Edit:

    I've been trying to remember what exactly it was, I noticed the 600 has the drive on the front but mine was definitely on the side.

    Best I can tell, I think it was a T20, not a 600. They look very similar.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Wait until you realize you can smooth scroll with 2 fingers.

    The amount of laptop users I see using a mouse to scroll webpages is exhausting. And I don’t mean the mouse wheel, I mean clicking and holding the down arrow in the browser.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    I have colleagues that keep dragging the little block in the sidebar.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Hey, sometimes the scroll bar is better. Like when you're looking at a mile-long document and looking for the one part you care about

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Wait until you hear about the key "Next Page"

    edit : it is indeed PageDown

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My American keyboard has a "page down" key? It's still slower than the scroll bar sometimes. Seriously, sometimes I scroll through a multi-MiB text file.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That is significantly easier, more accurate, and somehow faster than the arrow.

    Believe it or not, those scrollbars used to be way bigger, not autohide, and look solid and three dimensional. I miss those days.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Um, that's in the settings. Does nobody else obsessively adjust every setting when they get a new device? Just me?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    For people using gnome: you can swipe to the side with 3 fingers to change to other workspaces, and you can swipe down with 3 fingers for the equivalent to pressing the windows button or hitting the hot corner

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Can you sell workspaces to me?

    I never understood the benefits compared to just alt-tab

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    I use them for separating different activities, just as some form of organizing my mind. For example, if I'm writing some document, I keep everything related to it in a workspace. If I need to pause and do something else, I swap to another workspace. But it's just a personal thing in the end, if you find alt+tab sufficient to organize yourself, it's fine

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I see the benefit. For example if I have to keep a window open just so it is open. But I don't need to look at it. For example when opening a VM that I'm going to access via SSH.

    In that case it's useful so it is open but nowhere to be seen.

    On the other hand, setting up the thing, and later remembering that I have it in case I want to manually close it is a hassle. So it's just easier to not use the workspaces and just have it minimized. It's going to be on the far side of the alt-tab queue anyway.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Thinkpads got it right with the physical mouse buttons above the touchpad.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Bring back the nipple! (xkcd 243)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It left? Mine's got one and it's fairly recent.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    One of my favorite customizations on Mac is enabling three finger drag in the Accessibility settings.

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