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[–] 33 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Thank you! So many AI bros keep going "then why aren't you against xyz?" And I'm like, I am? I can actually have a consistent moral framework?

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  • [–] 62 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    You can just call it capitalism. Almost every problem with everything listed is actually a capitalism problem not something inherent to itself.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    All of those existed way before capitalism. Except the ones that require technology more advanced than what they had available.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Capitalism started when some no-nobles started having more power than (some) nobles. Meaning that the power balance shifted from nobles to capitalists. Which happened around (because of) the industrial revolution.

    All of these undoubtedly existed before the industrial revolution: war, monoculture farming, clear cutting forests, building on floodplains, development that destroys habitats.

    These were impossible before the industrial revolution for technological reasons: space tourism, deep sea mining.

    This is impossible without capitalism for semantic reasons: corporations bulldozing ecosystems for endless "growth". Before capitalism, it wasn't corporations, and it wasn't done with a bulldozer. But kingdoms did "bulldoze" ecosystems. And communist countries did bulldoze ecosystems too.

    Golf, lawns: these are harder to prove and I don't care enough to do the research. Golf probably couldn't be done before industrial revolution, but maybe a primitive version of golf could be played.

    So at most, the tweet might be right in the best of cases about golf and lawns. Which would make for a much more boring tweet.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Does this include golf in Wii Sports?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    I love space tourism! It paves the way for humans to travel far beyond this planet. Plus, in the early days, we might get to see a billionaire become a firework 🤞

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Call it data prison. Once they get your files, they don't give them out, hold them hostage for a fee you pay.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

    Lawns are fine. Having lawns and nothing else is a problem. Filling your lawn with chemicals is a problem. Most people I know who have lawns don't do that. They also have rich borders and beds and planters and wild areas. I post a different pic everyday here of bugs I find in my garden; the grass and clover and soil itself is full of life. Most people need an open space to play or entertain or whatever, and a lawn - though not a wildflower meadow - beats decking or concrete.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    most lawns are monoculture, water hungry and non native

    the native focused setups being the few alternatives but those are not really lawns

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think your first statement is true. Most people I know or places I've lived in or been have a mixed, lived‑in garden where the lawn is one component of a wider ecosystem. Most don't look like the green on a golf course.

    A lawn with clover, moss, daisies, micro‑wild patches, little plants I can't even name that drift in on the wind, and healthy soil full of ants and worms and beetles and spiders and things I need to photograph and identify is not a monoculture. It’s a low meadow kept short that hosts plenty of life.

    Go take a look in any real garden or lawn for 10 minutes. You'll find life.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    this is just based off of info i’ve read on the internet so i can’t say i’ve tested it myself but most ‘nice’ lawns i’ve seen with people i’ve actually talked with do at least weekly watering outside of normal rainfall

    i know for a fact none of the lawns here are native because this area used to be a swamp

    as to the mono culture all the lawns here are even, maybe two types of grass sometimes

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1618866724002589

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I water my lawn once or twice a week when it's dry. Nothing crazy, just a misting for 10-15 mins. I don't think it's wasting water to help an ecosystem blossom. The vast majority of grass seed we see in the UK would be native grasses. Mine is mixed hardy horse paddock grass. Grows like wildfire, and the bugs love it.

    I still think even monoculture grass lawn is a good middle ground between nothing living at all and a wildflower meadow or the like. Not everyone cares about the plants around them, but grass and soil beats concrete or bare earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Monoculture lawns create massive gaps for various bugs that can’t transverse those gaps to eat, hide, breed, lay eggs/reproduce, hibernate for winter - and that impacts all the other species up and down the chain, from birds to microbial life. Mono culture lawns also limit the fungal life, which limits microbial life. Both those being limited along with introducing gaps where there once were highways for life means species dwindle, and that causes other species of plants and animals to dwindle. It’s a fucking massacre of life just to be “fine”. That hardly seems reasonable and fine to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    As I said, a monoculture lawn is better than concrete or bare earth. I'm by no means a fan. I agree with you that they're shit, but most I know simply aren't that at all. They're healthy and host a variety of life.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Monoculture farming is pretty much the only thing that's keeping billions upon billions from starvation and is pretty much the foundation of society.

    There's also not that much wrong with it. You can absolutely do modern farming sustainably, it's just many don't. So, like all companies, farmers need to be forced to do the right thing.

    Also, the Netherlands is basically a giant floodplane, and wetre all fine. It's not our fault other places have a skill issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    While some of the feats of large scale agriculture seem impressive, the fossil fuel industry and those who sell the machinery seem to have inflated the numbers quite a lot.

    Biodiverse landscapes grow a higher density of food with fewer pesticides and herbicides, and better soil health and water retention in the long term. The problem: you need those pesky people to maintain and harvest complex biodiverse systems, and they want livable wages! Best call them savages and uncivilized, drive them away in the name of progess and force everyone to use your machines, fertilizer, pesticides, machinery and fuels.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    The problem: you need those pesky people to maintain and harvest complex biodiverse systems, and they want livable wages! Best call them savages and uncivilized, drive them away in the name of progess and force everyone to use your machines, fertilizer, pesticides, machinery and fuels.

    Yeah, you can pretty much only do polyculture by hand, that's true. Are you suggesting we go back to unmechanized farming?

    That would be super great for the planet, as it would cause the deaths by starvation of roughly 90% of the population, with the majority of the remaining humans forced into subsistence farming.

    Neither corpses not subsistence farmers would cause much pollution. It might be somewhat hard to get volunteers for it though.

    On the other hand, you can absolutely maintain a biodiverse landscape AND use mechanized monoculture fields. You just need to give nature time and space too, and that's something most farmers refuse to do. Which is why they should be forced to. I don't see why a factory gets banned from destroying biodiversity, but it's fine when farmers do it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    give nature time and space

    That's what a biodiverse landscape does? I didn't say unmechanized - but there's a difference between running giant machines over 200ha of the same and running a small tractor over a 2ha field. For the landscape it makes all the difference: having 2ha of one thing, then a hedge (that can contain edible fruits and berries), then something else, maybe have pasture with nut and chestnut on it, instead of just pasture.

    Even in a small vegetable garden planting different plants together is so much easier. Higher plants give shade to smaller ones, aromatic ones protect pest-endangered ones ... recreating an actual ecosystem is the real deal.

    Todays' rural areas are empty of people. They were bought out by those people who consented to being enslaved by the machine and fuel complex. The ones who were forced to leave had to become wage slaves in the cities. The ones who run the system now don't even want to touch the soil anymore! They just send a fucking drone to analyze where to dump how much of their chemicals. It's not a sustainable way of managing soil and water.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    That's what a biodiverse landscape does? I didn't say unmechanized - but there's a difference between running giant machines over 200ha of the same and running a small tractor over a 2ha field. For the landscape it makes all the difference: having 2ha of one thing, then a hedge (that can contain edible fruits and berries), then something else, maybe have pasture with nut and chestnut on it, instead of just pasture.

    I agree entirely, with pretty much everything you posted, but that's still monoculture. One crop per field, only much more ecologically friendly.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    But hey, we all are going hard right in the Benelux, so in a decade you guys will probably have to pay some private equity company a monthly subscription for them to hold the dikes closed for you lol. Or maybe they will just be so fucked and non-maintained through privatization that the will all fail anyway because it isn't profitable enough

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    [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    What about lawns reconverted to preservation spaces with native plants, and an occasional bumbling human meandering about?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I love that argument where the AI addict asked if I hate AI so much, would I be able to complete my work without it. And apparently AI all shut down yesterday, and I didn't notice whatsoever because that's how much I use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    And Hill's biscuits. They're the only people who can fuck up a custard cream. Mind boggling.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I would think space tourism would be cool if the normal person could afford it.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Well yes, but have you ever really given golf a chance?

    Maybe you will like it.....

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like one possible future where I go to jail is when a conversation goes like

    Me: "That thing you're doing is unnecessary, bad for the environment, and bad for society."

    Them: "But I like it"

    Me, screaming "BUT I LIKE IT" while I punch them in the face over and over and over and over.

    Liking something is not a trump card that supersedes all other concerns, and yet some galaxy brains act like it is. Much more respect for people who can admit "I don't care about the environment or society" out loud.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    well put. and the worst part is the chuds who want to use public funds to pay for their habit - get FUCKED with that garbage, it's a racist, shitty waste of a 'sport'.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Not to spoil your righteous rage to much, but in the retirement community I live in the courses have a duel purpose.

    If it’s dry people play golf.

    If there is a hurricane or flood or rain event, they function as retentions ponds.

    Seeing a golf course turn into a lake in a single day is an awesome sight.

    No rivers or swamps around here to soak up the rain. So the whole place was engineered on purpose to use the courses.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    yeah and there's simply no other way to do flood abatement than building a fuckin golf course that requires water, fertilizer, gas to mow and is a historically racist as fuck sport, played by a tiny number of people, both in terms of population and asset utilization.

    it's trump's favorite, that should tell you everything.

    reevaluate your choices.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I hate all this shit independently...

    And I hate little bitches who advertise they hate this shit as their entire personality and do nothing about it but post on Lemmy 🫡🤷

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