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Elon: The actual number of moves that are not utterly stupid in chess is tiny and chess will be fully solved one day

Chess.com: Skill issue

Elon: Chess is hard for humans, but not for computers. One day, it will be fully solved like checkers. Between now and then, or even after, have fun. People enjoy may games/sports where machines are vastly better.

Chess.com: There are more possible chess games, by about 40 order of magnitude, than atoms in the observable universe. To solve chess, you'd have to map them all. Good luck.

Elon: Wrong, all legal chess positions are ~40 ooms less than the estimated atoms in the Universe. And ASI will figure out ways to solve and compress that are far beyond what we could possibly comprehend. (Here I am arguing with some random intern at a chess website)

Chess.com: I'm a full-time employee

Elon: (something-emoji)

Chess.com: Even my friends don't text me back that fast

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[–] 356 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

"Even my friends don't text me back that fast" is a wonderful insult.

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  • [–] 142 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Our lad just starched the richest man in the world in his own office.

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  • [–] 323 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    So I guess Elon tried to get into chess because it's a smart people hobby, got demolished, and now is having a sour grapes moment.

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  • [–] 90 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Probably also paid others to play for him like with his stupid video games, he's fucking pathetic.

    I would be curious what his highest chess.com raing is. I got to 1650 once, a middling score, more often in the 1500s but don't play much now.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    1650 a middling score?

    cries in 800 elo

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Are you on chess.com though or the other one, they have a different lower rating system I think, lichess.com I think the latter might even be non profit but I still used chess.com because I was already there when I learned that.

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  • [–] 150 points 2 months ago (37 children)

    I don't know what he has against chess, but this is like the 3rd time I've seen him try to convince everyone that it's pointless because of computers.

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  • [–] [S] 178 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Another classic example that proves this:

    🤪 3
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  • [–] 178 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What I take from this is "I can't cheat, so I won't play"

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh you can cheat at chess.com. People use engines to suss out the best moves and plug them into their games. Chess.com spots many, but not all of them, you will get notices after the fact that your rating has been changed upwards because they detected them cheating.

    It's quite common.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My theory is that he's frustrated that he can't manage a team or pay someone to get better at it for him.

    The humility it takes to be a beginner at something is uncomfortable when you have a huge ego.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I mean, he could very easily do both of those things. Chess teams are a thing, and they need sponsors to be able to attend tournaments - I suppose that counts as "managing" a team. Chess coaches are also a thing, and even some of the worst novice players have seen massive improvement in their chess game after being paired up with famous chess streamers, but without him putting in the actual effort to absorb the information, he'll never get any better.

    When all else fails, he could create an account and pay some broke ass GM to smurf for him. Nobody gets rich off of playing chess for a living, so him paying them to improve his elo and then him taking all the credit publicly would be par for the course and highly effective. Nobody is really going to call him out on that because he has a cult of personality surrounding him that built him up to be a genius. I mean, if you ask him to explain why he made a certain move in a high level game, the illusion would fall apart, but the media wouldn't dare hold his feet to the fire like that.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Lol it means he has the same problem with it that I did: there's absolutely no random element to blame so when you lose you just fucking lose and that's all there is to it. The other person's brain just stepped on your brain and wiped it off on the curb.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Generally random factors allow players with less skill to win. I think about that with games a lot.

    It's one of the (many) reasons I don't really like DND very much. Huge random factor. You can make excellent tactical decisions and lose. You can be an absolute baffoon and triumph.

    Some randomness is okay but not like that.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    I'm pretty sure it's because he can't stand losing. The man clearly suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Right? I'm sure he expected to immediately be a god at chess with no studying or practice, then got upset when that wasn't the case.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Yes, because of his financial success, he considers himself a genius—which he very obviously never was. This is a common trait among billionaires. Many of them are psychopaths who have amassed their wealth through utter unscrupulousness, irresponsibility in the form of an absurd willingness to take risks, and sheer luck.

    In the case of Musk, Thiel, and various others, that stroke of luck was PayPal. That company was so successful that it made all of its investors immeasurably rich—it was more a matter of chance that PayPal succeeded, and everything that followed really wasn’t all that difficult because that kind of money cannot lose anymore no matter how ridiculous stupid someone might be.

    That’s precisely the problem: We only hear about the people who bet everything on one card and won—they’re portrayed as geniuses, which they never were. We never hear anything about all those who failed miserably—and that’s the vast majority.

    Billionaires aren’t geniuses or even above-average in intelligence. Their financial success has, in the rarest of cases, anything to do with intelligence.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Some of them might be considered marketing geniuses, like Jobs was.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    I would rather consider Steve Wozniak than Steve Jobs. Jobs was undoubtedly excellent at selling products, and he was certainly a smart (and also ruthless) businessman, but the pioneer—and the one who actually "did the thing"—was Wozniak.

    It’s true, of course, that Wozniak probably wouldn’t have been able to make his product a success on his own, but that’s precisely where the problem lies: Bill Gates is certainly no fool either, but DOS—the product that made Microsoft the billion-dollar-company that it is today—was developed by someone else, namely Gary Kildall. Gates’s achievement consisted mainly of making a lot of money from it. He did just that, and did it well, while Kildall was fobbed off with a ridiculously small sum relative to the product’s success, since he was in a weak position at the time.

    Although Gates was far more technically adept than Jobs, his core qualities were essentially the same—a good sence for business and a utter lack of scruples: Kildall never received a bonus payment from Microsoft for his work that would have even remotely acknowledged his importance.

    There are many people in the IT sector who are worthy of admiration, but almost none of those who truly deserve it are among those the industry or rather the public celebrates as pioneers or visionaries—these are almost exclusively businesspeople who played only a marginal role, if any, in the development of the products they market.

    In my view, success stories like Apple or Microsoft are fundamentally no longer possible today, since visionary spirit, wisdom, and inventiveness have been permanently replaced by the inhuman logic of cutthroat capitalism, which the U.S., above all, embodies. Its heroes are always the wrong ones—not those who have advanced humanity through their achievements, but always those who have known how to exploit others particularly ruthlessly for their own ends. These people lead the Western world today, which is why it stands on the brink of total collapse, since these people know nothing but boundless greed.

    They are utterly unfit to lead millions upon millions of people—yet that is precisely what they seek to do in their pathological hubris.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    I really think Jobs dying was the start of the tech industry enshittification.

    While he was a massive cunt and didn't personally develop the products, he pushed his people to innovate, and the rest of the industry followed to try to keep up.

    Once iPhones became yearly iterative bullshit, the industry followed.

    But Moore's Law slowing down does come into play.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    It may be that his death marked a turning point, in a sense: He had already been forced out of his role as CEO by business executives in 1985 and didn’t return until 1997, when the company was on the brink of collapse. He then truly turned the company around through innovation: first with the iPod, then with the iPhone—both products that changed the world. I don’t want to downplay this foresight at all, and I also think that Jobs was someone who cared about the cause—about products that are meaningful and useful.

    Nevertheless, I don’t believe the start of enshittification can be pinned to the date of his death. Rather, he was one of those, who laid the groundwork for it—here’s an example: soon, Google will tighten the screws and design the Play Store along the closed model that Apple introduced back in the day.

    In short: I think there are many other reasons. Jobs was an outstanding businessman, but he lived in a different world than the one we live in today.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My lay-person perspective is Jobs pioneered enshittification. The iPod was not an mp3 player, you had to use proprietary format music, which needed to be loaded with iTunes, a piece of proprietary software that acted almost like a virus once installed on your machine.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Did you write that wall of text to say that Wozniak was the marketing genius instead of Jobs?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    He understood the market and knew what products to put there, I'd say he is a genius at that - but imo a marketing genius would be someone who can sell anything no matter how shitty the product is, so i'd say that term would be better fitting for his competitors at Microsoft for example.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    I enjoy see sport competitions because I like to see what humans are capable of. I don't need a so-called genius to prove that we can create robots running faster than humans. Likewise I don't need to be told that Stockfish is stronger than Carlsen because then what? We should stop playing because a machine is better?

    Also, what does "solving chess mean"? We already have algorithms trying every possible move

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  • [–] 92 points 2 months ago

    The guy who pays people to play video games for him so he can fail at pretending he played himself in a "Hello, fellow kids" moment is pretending to be smart again? Wild.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    wtf is the order one is supposed to read this in?

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    [–] 139 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I have been a full ass adult the entire time twitter has existed and I still don't fucking understand how the thread structure works.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    When you reply to a tweet, the reply is displayed underneath the tweet you're replying to, so the thread structure normally is from the top down like you would expect. Unfortunately, some people, like the one running the chess account, habitually use retweets/quote tweets instead of replies, which are displayed above the original tweet (with the original tweet indented to the right). This messes up the thread structure.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    But for the people doing that it puts their comment first. If there was a better metaphor for shitting all over a commonly agreed upon standard that works well for everyone so you can be at the front then I can't really think of it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree, and don't get me started on the clusterfuck that is Discord. How the fuck do you navigate that abomination of a GUI?

    Want to add a friend? No fucking idea where the button is.

    Want to call a friend? No fucking idea how.

    And God forbid that you want go create a group call.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Same. And because it sucks I don't open it often, so wverytime I do have to open it for some stupid reason (somebody sent me something and probably told me to go there to get it) it goes through several minutes of updates and popups bragging about it.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    He's so insecure about his own intelligence.

    Imagine being the richest man alive and your whole existence is being envious of other people's abilities.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Elon Musk is the personification of a moron’s hallucination of a genius.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    What is ASI? Adolescent Sexualised Imagery?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Artificial Super Intelligence.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Elon Musk doesn't understand complex systems? Colour me I already knew that.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Colour is british english. :)

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