Many people do give some of their money or belongings to those less fortunate already. It's called charity. Socialists want to create a world where charity isn't necessary.
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That isn't what socialism is, but it is however exactly what Jesus told people to do. And yet she - a Christian - seems to hold the idea in contempt. Curious.
I don't love religion, but many churches do make some attempt to help the poor in the areas where they run.
There are a lot of churches that are closer to a mafia with intent and fees.
Side note: Google is NOT your friend.
shoulda said DUCKDUCK
Isn't that how people who decry socialism define it, not really how socialism actually works?
It's really more a description of welfare, which is something that can be utilized by socialism, but doesn't define it.
A century and more of propoganda in the US has led to the perception that any regulation or check or balance on the private sector is socialism.
The average American is extremely brainwashed from a young age and is mostly incapable of questioning their presumptions on this. They're trained to happily lick the boot of their Epstein class and accept the status quo. Only a few break out of the trance in their lifetimes, that is, if something breaks the cosmic cycle of production and consumption they live by.
Hopefully for theirs and the world's sake the pendulum will swing back hard and they will embrace some type of spiritual successor to FDR / an American born version of Zohran Mamdani to run the country.
Dear Capitalists,
If you want capitalism so bad, be sure to "donate" a billion to the campaign of your favorite politician and use socialism to transfer wealth from the people to you without having to actually sell them anything, then use those billions to buy your own island...
Oh wait they are already doing that, sorry
"It's like investments, bailouts and subsidies but for people instead is companies."
Yeah, close enough.
Thats still all capitalism. There is no socialism in capitalism even when the wealthy make huge wealth transfers.
Why is it so hard to understand that all socialism is is when workers control the means of production just like capitalists do in capitalism.
If they control the means then it is capitalism, if we(the workers) control it then that's socialism.
Transferring wealth is just that, wealth transfer.
Having the national purse pay for bailouts is not socialism.
This idea of getting something for nothing is not socialism.
You're absolutely right but everything that sides with labor over capital is considered socialism in the US. Banning child labor, two day weekend, Medicare/Medicaid, social security... These were all labelled socialist policies at one point or another.
It doesn't matter what is and is not socialism, friend.
They call it socialism in the USA, and have for many decades. I'm taking them at their own word.
In USA, our politicians call transfer of wealth "socialism" when they don't approve of that wealth transfer. Also, many use the word "communism" interchangeably with socialism.
Google's my third biggest enemy.
Oh! Are the enemies sized in terms of their actual side? Or relative to your hate?
Like, are enemies #1 and #2 the Moon and the Sun or something? Or is #1 a person and your disdain is just larger for them?
Ask your average blue collar Republican voter what they hate about socialism and they will perfectly describe capitalism
"build one big insurance company to provide coverage for everyone. And no gaps or deductibles. And they can't discriminate who's allowed to join. And let the government administrate it so a single company can't screw you over unfairly."
pay at the pump auto insurance..
included into the cost of each gallon of gas.
universal coverage, no uninsured drivers, clear & transparent funding source.
How's that going to work with the switch over to electric cars?
Change "gallon of gas" with "kilo watt"
Kilo what?
At least in my state, for every MPG over 25 you get, a bit extra is added to the cost of the yearly vehicle registration fee. This year electric vehicles are charged a bit over $135. https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/taxes-fees/highway-use
This is only socialism if it pertains to the workplace and you are talking about "one big union" not insurance; that would be a social program.
Roads and infrastructure; not socialism.
Insurance and consumer protection; not socialism.
Single payer Healthcare; not socialism.
Firefighter, police and military; not socialism.
Democracy in the workplace; now thats what I call socialism.
"Well if you hate Hitler's genocide, we shouldn't all have to collectively do something about it. Buy your own gun, get yourself to Germany, and start fighting Nazis yourself!"
Well that is just it, the wealthy of the US were totally on board with the Nazi. Industrialists like Ford help to bankroll the Nazi Empire by building factories and saying they could keep all the profits. Not to mention IBM developing the number system for the tattoos on Jewish prisoners and helping with the logistics of sending them to the death camps
Hitler didn't even want to kill the Jews at first, he wanted to exile them and sent envoys to see if other countries would take them. When the wealthy of the US found out they went and lobbied against this and stroked more anti-jewish sentiment in Europe to ensure the final solution would happen. Hell, even Hitler said he based the Holocaust after the Native American genocide the US committed.
US was fully onboard with eugenics leading up to WWII. There's a whole lotta retconning going on.
Not the least of it is that US were the heroes in WWII. We were "neutral" until the thing was half through, and even then barely even fought the Germans. History props America up, because one of our biggest exports is "history"...but we're the third-stringers who soaked up the glory when we finished the game 30 points up...while we were brought in with a couple minutes left and up by 50.
Us milennials are the worst of it. We got taught by boomer history teachers who heard endless exaggerated war stories from their dads and uncles and had that to feed their already stubborn attitudes. Or worse, Vietnam vets.
For real, the US is the source of the fascism which pisses me off when people say the US stopped the fascists. They are the fucking fascist and Italy and Germany were offshoots from the US.
If the US citizens hadn't invested the time and money in the European Axis then perhaps WWII would have never happened. That is speculative, of course, but it really feels the US is responsible especially after walking away from governance in the aftermath of WWI. I digress though.
You are absolutely correct as the Soviet Union did all the heavy lifting taking on around 80 percent of the Nazi forces. It was definitely the undoing of Germany when they attacked Russia, but if they hadn't we may be living in a far worse world for minorities than we have now. Unfortunately, it feels like thanks to the US spreading fascism around the world we are heading there anyways.
I’m scared for our society, nobody willing to actually educate themselves outside of social media
I mean the proof is in the pudding.
We can all see how the conservative "pull yourself up by your boostraps trickle down" ideology is (isn't) working for the majority of our society, including the vast majority of conservatives.
I'm not some tree hugging ultra-lib. But the bottom line is capitalism simply isn't sustainable. It causes rampant pollution and an ever-widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots. We haven't even been utilizing capitalism that long in the big picture and it's already absolutely catastrophic for our environment. It's just not sustainable. It needs to be HEAVILY regulated if it keeps existing at all. And one thing I know for absolute certain is you get the opposite of regulation when you hire conservatives/regressives.
Here, I'll give up all means of production that I personally own and aren't for personal use.
Done.
(Ok I'm not giving up my retirement account until we have an effective pension system because I'm not an idiot, but other than that done)
Wait, wait... Jesus Christ literally said that. No, seriously. It was something like, "if you want to follow me, surrender your Earthly possessions" and "A thief cannot rob your ephemeral wealth, unlike stuff in your house." Paraphrased poorly, but that's the gist of it.
That's Buddhism, not socialism.
But hey, good news! This is America, which means you're free to whichever religious ideology you want, with no chance of persecution whatsoever.
Capitalism is LITERALLY forcing other people to give away all of their belongings.
In capitalism, you just don't have any remaining belongings to give away.
Capitalism is LITERALLY forcing other people to give away all of their belongings
can you explain this some? im not very knowledgeable about economic systems
I'm guessing they mean, that under capitalism, most of your basic needs require money to access, so if you run out of money you have to sell your belongings in order to survive.
The goal of capitalism is to use exploitative systems so that you gain others' money and they don't gain yours.
The whole idea of investment is that you hire people to work for you and then they don't get the full value of the work they do, and it goes to you. That's how your employer makes money.
Same for landlords and basically all of the wealthy people in capitalism.
And when you aren't making enough money, you start making things so expensive that they can't afford homes, healthcare, food, and other necessities, like what's happening now.
There's no need for homelessness or poverty to exist. Those things are choices made by the wealthy.
You're better off reading wikipedia than getting economics advice from someone who thinks capitalism involves the abolition of private property.
In no way does capitalism require people to give away all of their belongings. If there is one core tenet of capitalism, it is private property.


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