Google has decided to rename Lake Ontario in the US. Please uninstall Google Maps.

While I understand they’re pulling data from the US government, they have no actual legal obligation to comply. This is entirely a choice an executive at Google made.

Did you know: When you click a link on Google and then go there Google tracks your location and links it to all your ads. This feature is called Local Search Ads, and you can hit Google’s pocketbook directly in protest by not having Google Maps installed.

When you have Google Maps installed Google is always tracking you. That tracking data feeds into a lot of products: things like mapping cell and wifi networks to geolocations, ads, recaptcha, search, and more. Google stores a profile of who you are, where you live, where you work, who you visit, etc.

If uninstalling is too much for you go to your Google account and disable Location History in privacy settings. Alternatively, click your user profile icon and turn on incognito mode, which disabled tracking and other features.

This will reduce the data linked to your profile (though, in reality, there’s no assurance this does anything, like when that disabled Nest camera was used by the FBI last year).

Browsing without an account does not have the effect. If you simply log out you have no privacy limitations enabled.

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[–] [S] 52 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Here’s Google’s blog post on how they’re fecklessly obeying

https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/maps/gnis-lake-ontario-lake-america-name-change/

Remember, if they do this, what else are they surrendering to the US administration?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    While I haven't looked into it, OSM might also have a discussion up about adding the "lake america" label as a regional alternative name. They did that for a previous trump tantrum too.

    However, I find that my feelings towards each organization depend on the intent behind the action. When OSM adds that label, it's being done for cartographic reasons and I don't mind that. When Google does it, especially this quickly, it feels like it's being done for appeasement reasons.

    Also with Google, everyone in the US sees that name. Whereas with OSM, you would be choosing to use the trump tantrum labels.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    My first impression with CoMaps: Wow!

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Same, it’s nice, I like that the maps are offline… Google and Apple both have had me driving through stretches of white background because they don’t even bother to download your route.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe I did something wrong but I used Comaps to go to a very big, very clearly marked government building and it directed me like, two blocks over even though the address was right. Any thoughts on that? Should I just use it more? This specific example was downtown in a very big US city, so maybe that's part of it?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Does the building appear in the correct location on the map? If so, then it might be a bug. I haven't had that happen myself

    If not, then it's possible that the data was entered wrong, and you can fix it for everyone. I'll wait for someone else to share better instructions, but in short it's

    • make an openstreetmaps account
    • use the website, or another openstreetmaps editing tool and enter the data
    • once the data is uploaded, comaps pushes it out to everyone on the next maps update (weekly or bimonthly I think?)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    there's just no alternative for user ratings, that's the only thing keeping me from deleting google maps

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The ratings on googlemaps are known to be tampered with. I worked in a restaurant and my boss took down 1 star reviews weekly, by just sending a "non-relevant information" report on the unfavorable reviews. It sits at 4.8 currently...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Use HERE We Go as an alternative.

    It's based in Germany.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    As a side note, the funniest possible reaction that Canada could have here would be to rename Lake Michigan to Lake Inferior

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Rename the other 4 lakes some variation of "Lake Legal Adult Citizen," so that the pedofile won't touch them.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    why doesn't china just make an official proclamation declaring taiwan and hong kong are chinese territories? by this logic, google would have to rename it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    What service would you recommend I use instead? I use it a lot for restaurants and pathfinding on bicycle in Copenhagen

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Comaps seems pretty good and is widely suggested, it has an outdoor mode which might go well with your cycling (including height contour lines)

    I’ve used Apple Maps for a long time

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    I also came here to recommend CoMaps. It's an offline map service (you download the regional maps you need) and they're privacy-focused. I installed it through F-Droid, just to further avoid Google and their Play Store.

    CoMaps uses data from OpenStreetMap, so it's community-driven content. Missing information on the map? Go add it on OpenStreetMap and it'll eventually populate on CoMaps. As well as other public maps.

    I noticed my quiet countryside neighborhood didn't exist on any maps, which made receiving mail/deliveries tricky (my neighbors regularly received my packages, and vice versa). So I added the streets and houses in my neighborhood to OpenStreetMap and now my neighborhood pops up on Google and Bing maps. Haven't had a delivery issue since!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Looking at these replies, I really wish it was one of those situations where dozens of nerds were arguing over a dauntingly huge list of great solutions.

    Instead we've got a few FOSS solutions missing major functionality, especially if we're already protesting climate change with public transit and cycling.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    PSA: one way to boycott #GoogleMaps is to append your SSID with _nomap. This opts out of Google using your access point for navigation.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    TIL, thank you!

    What a shitty solution though… I hate this “opt out of invisible thing nobody notified you of” bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I should also mention if you boycott Apple (thus Apple’s maps), the SSID must end with _optout. If you want to boycott both Apple and Google, Google’s optout tag must be at the end of the SSID and Apple’s optout tag can only be followed by Google’s optout tag. So something like foo_optout_nomap. At least that’s my understanding.

    (edit) FWiW, I’ll cite the source for Google if anyone is interested. AFAIK, Apple’s opt-out flag is just a rumor.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Just degoogle entirely. There were plenty of reason to do so already.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I already changed from Google Maps. I think if you are using google fiber now would be the time to find a new provider. There are probably local isp alternatives in your area.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    People didn't bother when The Gulf Of Mexico was changed, and that ones displayed globaly.

    Lake Ontario is only displayed as Lake America in America. Canadian's still see Lake Ontario, and the rest of the world sees both (though I've not seen a screenshot of both displayed yet, besides in this article)

    I doubt very many people will care enough to change habbits.


    That said, I've been slowly transitioning to Organic Maps, which uses OpenStreetMap data. Just as part of a general 'fuck America and it's products'

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Does anyone know of alternatives that give public transit directions? For desktop and/or Android.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    The irony is Lake America is the smallest of the Great Lakes.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    But what map would my car use for Android Auto?

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  • [+] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I wonder how hard it would be to make traffic tracking in an OSM map app.

    Obviously you need a backend, but the app Transit does a good job demonstrating that you only need a few people in an area reporting location to set time estimates.

    Traffic correlates with people, so it’s easier to get critical mass than you’d think.

    Construction is still the hard problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    OpenStreet Maps (the map source used by compaps and organic maps) does not have street addresses, as far as I can tell none of the apps that use it have a way to know about road closures or even bother to webscrape reviews of restaurants. It's fine in those weird cities with square blocks I guess but anyone could navigate those with a normal map, what about places with out of order street addresses, regularly closed roads, or even just bus schedules?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Block ads. All the benefits of google services without increasing their bottom line.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If uninstalling is too much for you.

    I really do not think that would be to much for the people who have been able to come to Lemmy to do, we are obviously on the right side of the bell curve, I will say that as I do not like the concept of IQ!

    The only Google service I still use is youtube but I have ads blocked via the Unwatched app on my iPad or iPhone. Sure maybe Apple is trying to watch me, but I VPN back into my LAN with pihole running and all the location services turned off. In a year or two I plan on getting a new motorola phone as it will be able to have Graphin installed on it. I am really debating on what I want to do with replacing my ipad as I want something I can put a touch version of Debian on.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago

    I can’t assume everyone’s situation.

    I haven’t used Google Maps in years, but I was just on a road trip where everyone else used it, so I installed it so I could view the itinerary and navigate without opening Google Maps internal links, and copy and pasting or retyping everything.

    Some people use it to find restaurants and stuff (though it’s increasingly used to do that via ad extortion).

    If you can only do a little bit, do a little bit.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (27 children)

    Uh, why is this the line and not "Gulf of America?" Is there something about this that got your attention more?

    Edit: oh look, the Canadians didn't like a comment that didn't pander to the saviour narrative. Not reading anymore copy/paste responses.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    They changed it around the world to Golf of America, a bunch of people complained and guess what Google changed it everywhere other than the US.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Mhm, soooo, you kept using it after?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I saw a post on Lemmy about it and I broke to go there and make a complaint, I do not use google maps.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Right, and why don't you use it?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Umm… look at the group we are talking in, Google is the big evil.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    It's so funny how you guys keep thinking it's some special knowledge just because you care now.

    Yup, what makes it evil? Exactly? Where did you start caring?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    It sounds like Reannlegge is saying that they cared about it back then, and they also care about it now, and they only opened up Google Maps back then to file a complaint and don't use it otherwise.

    Also, I really don't think there are that many people who are annoyed/angry about this change affecting Canada, but weren't for the previous one affecting Mexico. I also don't think anyone is saying "I was ok with Google before, but this took it too far". Instead, people are continuing the usual push to get people off of Google products by posting about it when the discussion is timely.

    If you are noticing more people bringing up alternatives, it might be because more people started using OpenStreetMaps / CoMaps since the last time (or since every previous time Google did something evil).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (10 children)
  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    "Only when it effects me." Yes, that is what I am pointing out.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Strange comments, there was a huge backlash on media when it happened maybe just not on US-based and oligarchy-backed media outlet.

    Also on the threadiverse on the news when it happened many people suggesting alternatives https://lemmy.ca/post/39089906

    Mentions on this community unrelated to when it exactly happened (hey, do you need to wait for a reason to boycott them?)

    https://lemmy.ca/post/41383994 https://lemmy.ca/post/41378825

    Many people started joining communities promoting deGoogle campaigns

    You are not "pointing out" a contradiction but trying to downplay the encouragement of others promoting alternatives, its good to share solidarity to when this sort of thing happens to and involving other countries too you are so right on that, but its not exactly what you are achieving with this type of comment

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "You're being weird" is always a great way to self-report, you don't even realize what it shows about you. Also funny that this is upvoted when you're straight up fucking lying and its a click away to check.

    Not the Canadian community (was including the .ca link purposefully misleading?), and yes, exactly, when you do see these people (a singular person who doesnt even mention it, but let's say that was a real example there anyway) do give a shit, it's only after it effected them, not out of solidarity with Mexico or whatever it is you think you're saying here (also, I can tell you don't even understand what I'm criticizing when one of these is just someone referring to some other reason).

    Jfc you're all so self-satisfied. Did you think I wouldn't check? You people are going to keep pretending until it isn't fun anymore, I already see it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    “You’re being weird” is always a great way to self-report

    I didnt say you are weird, i referred to your comments not personally to you, again now a pattern of trying to make things more than what it is

    this is upvoted when you’re straight up fucking lying and its a click away to check

    You misinterpreted and skipped through when I said "Also on the threadiverse" before first link then before the next two which was in this community I also was explicit saying "Mentions on this community"

    Why are you trying to stir tension so much?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    This is far from the first time we've had a call to boycott Google. This one just happens to be in a Canadian community because it's closer to us.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Strange, the community description says nothing about that, and I'm sure it's entirely irrelevant that Mexico is also, y'know, the only other North American ally the Canadian state has. Either way, yes, what I am criticizing is the way that Canadians have selectively challenged US imperialism only now after they're effected in the slightest way; many of which on this site specifically then proceeded to claim ownership over anti-imperialism as though they genuinely think everyone was waiting for them to get here.

    It's kind of revolting, honestly. A few of you have expressed that the problem you take with my comment is that it isn't "encouraging," and I think that just sums it up perfectly. People like this are only encouraged by praise and complacency, and god knows they aren't going to change their way of life for some greater good.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Everybody I knew cared when Trump changed the Gulf of Mexico in US documents. Believe me or not, but it's possible to care about both issues. Let's work together, we clearly want the same thing here.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's in the instance description: "A Canadian-run community, geared towards Canadians, but all are welcome!"

    It's hard to properly gauge the response online since social media is so personalised and everyone sees different things. So I don't know the scale of it, but I can assure you that at least in the communities I follow, there was a similar response to renaming the Gulf of Mexico, as well as many other things that Google has done that we don't like.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    Lemmy.ca does, this community does not, but I figure you know that. You guys pretend to not know a lot of things.

    Thing is, clearly many of you did not, and this community specifically serves as a great example of what I'm talking about. But I get it, this is the larp.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    It's honestly worse that you guys just make up shit and aren't even original about it. I'm pointing out that them caring only when it effects an affluent white country they're related to is disingenuous bullshit, and it is.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What did I make up?

    Your comment is entirely unhelpful. If you already deleted it good, if you didn’t, now is a good time to do so.

    I get your commentary.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Bud, this is a cringe response.

    You are the person I am criticizing, someone who thinks the way you do is already not someone open to "help." If you want, I can post it three more times and see if that does it for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    "Wow now you want to help but I still think you're a shit pile because you didn't do the thing I did with my superior morals when I thought it was apporpriate"

    Yeah great way to encourage change you want you fucking dung beetle. Shut up.

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