I’ve never seen Babylon 5.. am I missing out?
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The space station show where an alien religious cast helps the station commander fight a large scale political and physical war against an insidious enemy not detectable to the human eye, even though a genocidal race aiding them may be sacrificed?
....wait, which one am I talking about?
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The one that's pro-union, has large character arcs, and a conspiracy that plays out back home.
Wait, which one?
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The one where ancient text profecy it all.
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The one where the Station Commander actually belonged to that part of space after all. You know, he wasn't really like other humans.
...i give up.
They both match these descriptions... But interestingly enough B5 often ends up feeling like it's telling the bigger story! Sometimes it feels like DS9 is just trying to keep up with it (albeit with much higher production values).
...and the B5 aliens are somehow, more alien. It's got a lot going for it, and is an underdog that punches above its weight class.
They're my two favorite Sci-fi shows, and I have room in my heart for both!
I heard about the story about how Paramount turned down the Babylon 5 pitch, then turned around and made Deep Space 9. Of course the two shows went in different directions, and are each great in different ways. But there are eyebrow-raising surface similarities. Both shows are named after a numbered space station, feature a commander who is a prophesized savior, have long story arcs, explore moral complexity.
Yesterday I watched the movie pilot, The Gathering. There is another similarity I hadn't realized before: both commanders are romantically involved with a freighter caption whose name starts with "Ca"!
it's interesting the ways they got more similar as they went on, too. there's one particular plot point that B5 does later on, after realizing they had accidentally been foreshadowing it, that comes from the pilot of DS9. i'm not saying they copied it but they couldn't exactly unwatch it either. the suits at Paramount definitely fucked over JMS when they stole the basic premise, but once both shows were on the air i think they both benefitted from the unintentional dialogue between them
and fun fact: Lyta's actress was also an extra and stunt double on DS9. reportedly she got a lot of complements on B5 in very hushed tones on the Paramount lot
DS9 was actually already in very early pre-production when JMS made his pitch. They also spent some time during his pitch trying to convince him to do it as a Trek show, which, in hindsight, was obviously an attempt to get him on their similar project. Then everyone who knew about the pitch got really hands-off with DS9's development.
Ah TIL.
I thought that was a porn parody like that:
https://www.imdb.com/de/title/tt1977920/
nah. but if you're a fan of trek and B5, it's fucking hilarious.
I've only seen 1 episode of Babylon 5, the union episode that was floating around Lemmy yesterday. It definitely beats Bar Association, but I have a hard time imagining that it could beat episodes like Past Tense
Not even close
Babylon five felt cheaper in every way for me. DS9 ftw.
I think B5 generally had the better story. DS9 had much better production values. Not to say DS9 didn't have some great stories, but B5's was just better thought through and more cohesive. The story arc was clearly planned from the beginning with B5 with all the details that get seeded in early seasons and pay off in later seasons. DS9 is much more episodic (except for the whole Dominion war thing) with not nearly as much development.
Really, even with all the deeply cringy Bashir and Ferengi stuff? That alone made DS9 much harder to get into for me, and then the continued weak writing and wooden acting once the show 'found it's feet' wasn't particularly inspiring either. Even the best episodes of DS9, which imo is arguably the best of the Treks, pale in comparison to the weak episodes of B5.
JMS pitched B5 to Paramount, and then Paramount mysteriously made DS9, a show with no similarities at all....
odd choice for a meme to compare. you know how that movie ends tho...
the smaller bullet won that battle.
Even more boring than Deep Sleep: 9?! Amazing. 😉
Try watching Space Above and Beyond if you can find it. Only went for one season and wasn't renewed. Sets up a hard fighting crew with internal personal conflicts that rocks out whilst killing aliens and cyborgs.
Good show, shame it didn't survive.
Set in the years 2063–2064, the show focuses on the "Wildcards", members of the United States Marine Corps 58th Squadron of the Space Aviator Cavalry.
finally someone else remembers that show. I was hooked on it when I was a kid. Sadly I’ve never found it to buy or stream.
Space Above and Beyond
I won't (or rather cant) use Youtube but I think full episodes are there.
There are also upscaled and regular versions floating around the usual places.

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