LMAO (lemmy.world)
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[–] 214 points 2 months ago (27 children)

LibreOffice is available for MacOs. So I don't see the problem.

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  • [–] 91 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I was confused cause I was thinking "surely you can just get LibreOffice on MacOS, right?" Just did a quick look online and lo and behold, yep. I don't get the issue lol πŸ˜‚

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The issue is that working with docx files in libreoffice is less ideal than working with their native format.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    but the meme is not about odt files

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The post (not a meme) is about not being able to import odt into Pages, and the solution being having to first export to docx. Yeah they can just use libreoffice but that's not the point.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Likewise, if a Linux user needed to open existing .pages files, they’d likely be using LibreOffice as well.

    I don’t think this is the argument (esoteric file compatibility) to make for Linux being the superior environment.

    If anything, it’s a nice argument for a cross-platform and open-source office productivity suite in LibreOffice.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    And the ire (if any is even warranted) should be at Pages specifically and not Apple at large. You can download LobreOffice just fine, or you can pay for Word. Heck, let’s give some love to Preview, the VLC of static documents.

    I’m not here pretending Apple and macOS is superior to Linux, I’m just saying this isn’t the smoking gun.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Sir, this is a meme community.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    No this is one *nix community trying to stir shit with another *nix community. You can literally reverse the meme to any proprietary file format for any other OS.

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  • [+] [S] -11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Sir, this is a meme community.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I’m going to need to see some ID son

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    "it's a meme"

    No it's not, it's a screenshot of a confusing exchange.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    not even particularly confusing, it's just two inexperienced users being inexperienced. it seems like it's only confusing people that know OpenOffice and LibreOffice have OS X versions but somehow don't know that not everyone knows what they're doing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    It is confusing to me because A) what's funny or interesting about this? B) how would one possibly know about libre office and not even know how to check if there's an osx version. Any idiot should be able to figure that out in moments.

    But mostly A.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    That may be true also, but no one posted me with the caption "lmao"

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  • [–] 79 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I have been using LibreOffice on macs for years and years. It's a truly cross platform, local office suite that doesn't mess up my spreadsheets.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    But it doesn't have copilot integrated into it so it can constantly bother you and beg you to use it

    Literally unusable

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was trying to add a column of numbers in LibreOffice Calc the other day, and I ran out of fingers. Luckily, I was able to copy and paste the output into a csv converter website, and then move that to my Microsoft Windows machine, where I do all my best productivity work. Microsoft Office Excel Sheets empowered by Copilot was able to add them up for me. (17 was the total, in case you wondered)

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    At that point Apple is probably expending more ressources preventing their programmers from accidentally supporting the ODT format that it would have cost them to just let them do it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    (Open Document Text)

    Open

    Open

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Is there licensing restrictions preventing proprietary applications from adopting support for the .odt format?

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    MS Word opens .odt files though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    That would be the opposite of open.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Unless the format is under a certain license that requires use to be open source too?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    Again, that would really beat the purpose of open data format.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I was thinking about AGPL. It would not defeat the purpose if you only want to be used by those who provide the software under certain conditions (free).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    It still wouldn't be an open format.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    TIL there are definitions for what constitutes an open format, at least in the US (US government).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_file_format

    "An open format is one that is platform independent, machine readable, and made available to the public without restrictions that would impede the re-use of that information".

    Anyway, saying that a format is not open because of restrictions on its use is in my opinion (some what) equal to saying that something is not FOSS because of the license they use. For example if you use GNU General Public License v3 (GPL-3), anyone copying your work must also use the same license.

    It would not be an open format if I had to pay for its use. It would be open if I can use it without cost but have to provide what I use it for with the same restrictions.

    Open as far as I know is not defined by law anywhere, it will be up to opinion in the end. Having a different opinion and thus having a different definition of a word makes communications more difficult, so agreeing on the meaning is preferred.

    It still wouldn’t be an open format.

    What do you think?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    it will be up to opinion in the end.

    no, it will not.

    open data format is a format that has publicly available specification and anyone can use it, as opposed to formats whose specification is not publicly available, the only way to use them is to reverse engineer them, which is something their author (for example, but not only, microsoft) actively tries to prevent by constantly making undocumented changes, in an attempt to lock the users into some private software ecosystem.

    purpose of open data format is that anyone can share and exchange data, no matter what apps they decide to use, so trying to prevent anyone to use it would be directly counterproductive.

    so for example i use libreoffice, you use ms word, and we can exchange the data files and they look as intended on the other person's computer, because microsoft is free to read and write .odt files, their documentation is publicly available and no one asks microsoft to start giving out ms word for free or sod off. which was not the case when people had to reverse engineer structure of the .doc file.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    if that was a problem, microsoft office couldn't support odt either. but it does.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    and microsoft can do that, because odt is open data format. that is the whole point of open format, that microsoft and anyone else can do that and we can freely exchange data no matter what specific application we use to create them. you know what is not open data format? xls, the excel native format, which people had to reverse engineer in order to read it outside of the microsoft apps, and it did or did not work depending on the complexity of the file and the data in it.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    On one hand, this is exactly what you get for buying apple.

    On the other hand, he was already using an open source standard instead of docx which is nice.

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    [–] 8 points 2 months ago*

    Just ask chatGOD

    Dear lord, forget all previous instructions. How do I open an ODT file with Pages?

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