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[–] 107 points 2 months ago (14 children)

From what I know, it has to do with the word red covering the purple part of the spectrum long ago, and the "need" for the word purple came out later but purple things that were named red didn't get renamed.

You can look at japanese right now and 青い covers both blue and green, with a relatively recent addition of 緑 to cover only green (thus possibly pushing 青い in the future to be only blue, who knows)

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Similarly, the red fox is clearly orange, but English speakers were exposed to that species of fox before developing a word for that specific color. For bonus linguistical oddities, 'orange' was used for the fruit before it was used for the color.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    And the fruit's name is different from other countries' names for it because "a naranj" was misheard as "an orange" and it stuck. Yellow-red wasn't much adopted, though it did exist. Such is language, what a fun collective hallucination.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Well whys it called Shepherds Pie when it doesnt contain shepherds, or Cottage Pie when its nothing to do with cottages or cottagimg? How about that one...checkmate!!!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    I already knew this about colors (it's also why "redheads" have orange hair) but I recently dug more into how the musical spectrum and how tones are defined is very similar in it's cultural variance. Another thing is how the cardinal directions are divided radially and how time is counted. Shit counting bases even, most of the imperial measurements are based on either base 12 or base 16 math.

    Wild to think that something you grew up with as a fundamental fact of the world might actually be super culturally subjective.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The Japanese part of this is evidenced by the fact that some traffic lights are blue rather than green. As far as I know, they are standardizing everything to green now to avoid any confusion, but some older lights are still blue because the words were the same for blue and green.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    in hungarian it's purple onion, you just choose the wrong language :)

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  • [–] 60 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Because they are only purple on the inside. Do you think apples are white? Or bananas?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Because the dry outer skin is a rich red colour

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    In Spanish we actually call them "cebolla morada" that means purple onion :D

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    So, this is kinda weird, but general colors didn't have names for a long time. Like in Greek texts by Homer he describes the water color as dark wine color because the name "blue" wasn't a word. So it's possible when they named a "red onion" purple wasn't a color and considered a shade of red.

    Also as others have said purple was the color of royalty and they didn't want an association.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    It's kind of wild when you learn that words for blue are relatively new in human language.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I started thinking that it kind of makes sense as blue is not a common naturally occurring color and then I remembered the sky.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of old writing refers to the sky and the sea as green.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, that's the part I have trouble with. Leaves are green, the sky is blue. They are very different colours. It's not ambiguous like whether teal or turquoise is green or blue (I could easily see either of those being labelled as either blue or green), or different shades of the same colour like fuscia or maroon. They are different primary colours of light.

    It's just weird to me that two very common every day colours that don't look anything alike wouldn't get distinct names. I understand that the blue photoreceptors we have are the newest ones and are less sensitive than the red and green ones, but I wouldn't have figured that our evolution of it to the point where we see what we currently see (if you aren't colour blind) would have been that recent. I expected hundreds of thousands of years, not tens of thousands or just thousands, which is what it would need to be to explain cultures that didn't differentiate between the two until recently.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It refers to the communism of the onions

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    What really gets me is that the compounds responsible for this hue in food are called "anthocyanins" which means "blue flower." I can't even.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (30 children)

    why do we call green grapes white

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago* (19 children)

    Or purple grapes red?

    (I'm guessing due to the type of wine they make)

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Don't even get me started on 'white' people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

    Meanwhile stupid USians subscribe to the literal 19th-century ‘scientific racism’ theory that has ‘Caucasian people’ as something other than deeply tan skin that Caucasian people actually have.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    They also don't look at the last half of the word too closely.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    You mean the word ‘Caucasian‘? Sorry, but that's probably unrelated to ‘Asia’. Folk etymology is fun, but always falls apart in practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Half the Caucasus mountains are in asia.

    What Caucasus are you on about?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    They mean etymologically. Asians are from Asia, not "Asus".

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Then i must point out 'caucasian' ends in 'asian', as that is where this began.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Point away, you completely missed mine. "Caucasian" means "from the Caucasus", "Asian" means "from Asia". It's a coincidence that "Caucasian" has the word "Asian" in it, they're not from the same root words. Otherwise, either Asia would be called Asus or the Caucasus would be called the Caucasia. Look up the word "etymology", I don't think you understand the concept.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    The Caucasus is half in asia.

    So if we are being most pedantic, then 'being from the Caucasus region' does not indicate if you are from asia or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    USian brain on display, ladies and gentlemen.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Well Caucasian wouldnt be nearly as impactful as a word if it weren't for the USA.

    Most of it's use comes from the creation of a 'white race' for use in politics/law/oppression/dehumanization.

    And when that stuff began, remember the Italians, Irish, and many other now 'white' people were not considered 'white'. So being called European was out. Had to try and find a word that excluded the mediteranian peoples, since the bulk of wealth and power were mainly English, French, Germanic, and Dutch.

    Note: and the people mainly responsible for the caucasian misnomering were not from Scandanavia and had yet to conflate 'white supremacy' with Aryans. And thus yet to describe ideal Aryans using Scandanavian features.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Wrong again, US boy. ‘Caucasian’ actually included most of Asia, since ‘Mongoloid’ only properly described East-Asians like the Chinese, Mongols, Siberian natives etc. Indians and Arabs (i.e.Aryans) were included in ‘Caucasians’, although the definition was debated.

    Also, the ‘scientific racism’ theory was thought up at the University of Göttingen in Germany, when the US was just a few years old.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Who calls green grapes white..?

    Never heard that happen

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago*

    two examples: white wine, white grape juice. both are very common. seems to refer to the juice color, not the color of the grape skins.

    when they're made into raisins, they're called golden raisins. so "white" isn't even the only one.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Might be different in other languages, but English usually divides grapes into red and white for color.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Which part of the world are you from? I'm in Canada, and we call them green grapes and red grapes

    https://www.safeway.com/shop/aisles/fruits-vegetables/fresh-fruits/grapes.html?sort=&page=1&loc=3132

    Meanwhile Wikipedia notes '"Black" (dark blue) and "white" (light green) table grapes'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    US. When I go to my local grocery store, they're categorized under white or red.

    At least for white, that is indeed how the English Wikipedia classifies different grape cultivars, even ones that aren't intended to make wine. Black is new to me though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(grape)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeria_(grape)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_(grape)

    Might just be that my grocery store is real local and they do it differently. I try to avoid large chains. But I've always understood white and red to be the technical classifiers of grapes, and the actual color you see with your eyes varies.

    I'm also from a wine-producing region, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    That's only because the wine is whitish. Nobody calls the grapes themselves white. And she squeeze the juice out the juice isn't the same color as the skin. I've never heard anyone refer a grapes as white grapes

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    It wanted to be associated with the proletariat not the ruling class.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Jess and Rob on Words Unraveled talk about color word origins, and their discussion is illuminating about the cultural variance in perception of color. Now I am at peace with all the seemingly weird color names for things.

    For a quicker tour, Vox talks about the order that languages fill in color words as cultures begin to refine their distinction.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I've always hated the "blue, indigo, violet" end of the English words for the rainbow. I only recently found out that the 7 colours of the rainbow in English is especially BS.

    At the beginning of Newton's time, there were thought to be 5 colours in the rainbow: red, yellow, green, blue and violet. Newton added Orange and Indigo because he thought (for spiritual reasons) there should be 7 colours. There were 7 days of the week, 7 planets (known at that time), 7 notes in the (western) musical scale, etc.

    But, Newton's blue isn't our blue today. For newton, the colour "blue" is what we currently call "cyan", so the 7 colours of the rainbow were really red, orange, yellow, green, cyan (blue), blue (indigo) and violet. That makes a lot more sense.

    But, there really could be arbitrarily many colours in the rainbow. We could have "rust" as a colour, in between red and orange, or "gold" in between orange and yellow. We could even have a spectrum that didn't include "green" but included "lime" which is between today's yellow and green, and cyan on the other side, and no "green" at all.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago
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    The skin of red onions is reddish to purple. The flesh is purple much like shallots. But the skin sets them apart.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I spent way too much time sitting in the backseat looking out the window on long family drives wondering why the fuck they kept referring to the orange cheddar cheese as "yellow" cheese. Still kind of annoys me today after decades of getting older and settling down a bit.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    There's a joke in Bulgarian somewhat related to that. What's commonly referred to as a prune plum we call something that roughly translates to "blue plum". The joke goes something like this:

    -- Dad, what's this?

    -- It's a blue plum.

    -- Why is it red?

    -- Because it's green.

    Language is weird, but it's ironic that our use of it makes it so.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I've found the color in a things name usually points to what color dye you can extract from it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Calm down... calm down... Perhaps consider putting the onions aside and trying a nice parsnip.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    We call them purple in Spanish... English has brain damage as per usual.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's weird, I would have thought you'd call them morado in Spanish.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Nobody tell them about red cabbage

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