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[–] 42 points 2 months ago (30 children)

why do we call green grapes white

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago* (19 children)

    Or purple grapes red?

    (I'm guessing due to the type of wine they make)

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Don't even get me started on 'white' people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

    Meanwhile stupid USians subscribe to the literal 19th-century ‘scientific racism’ theory that has ‘Caucasian people’ as something other than deeply tan skin that Caucasian people actually have.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    They also don't look at the last half of the word too closely.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    You mean the word ‘Caucasian‘? Sorry, but that's probably unrelated to ‘Asia’. Folk etymology is fun, but always falls apart in practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Half the Caucasus mountains are in asia.

    What Caucasus are you on about?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    They mean etymologically. Asians are from Asia, not "Asus".

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Then i must point out 'caucasian' ends in 'asian', as that is where this began.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Point away, you completely missed mine. "Caucasian" means "from the Caucasus", "Asian" means "from Asia". It's a coincidence that "Caucasian" has the word "Asian" in it, they're not from the same root words. Otherwise, either Asia would be called Asus or the Caucasus would be called the Caucasia. Look up the word "etymology", I don't think you understand the concept.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    The Caucasus is half in asia.

    So if we are being most pedantic, then 'being from the Caucasus region' does not indicate if you are from asia or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    USian brain on display, ladies and gentlemen.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Well Caucasian wouldnt be nearly as impactful as a word if it weren't for the USA.

    Most of it's use comes from the creation of a 'white race' for use in politics/law/oppression/dehumanization.

    And when that stuff began, remember the Italians, Irish, and many other now 'white' people were not considered 'white'. So being called European was out. Had to try and find a word that excluded the mediteranian peoples, since the bulk of wealth and power were mainly English, French, Germanic, and Dutch.

    Note: and the people mainly responsible for the caucasian misnomering were not from Scandanavia and had yet to conflate 'white supremacy' with Aryans. And thus yet to describe ideal Aryans using Scandanavian features.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Wrong again, US boy. ‘Caucasian’ actually included most of Asia, since ‘Mongoloid’ only properly described East-Asians like the Chinese, Mongols, Siberian natives etc. Indians and Arabs (i.e.Aryans) were included in ‘Caucasians’, although the definition was debated.

    Also, the ‘scientific racism’ theory was thought up at the University of Göttingen in Germany, when the US was just a few years old.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Who calls green grapes white..?

    Never heard that happen

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago*

    two examples: white wine, white grape juice. both are very common. seems to refer to the juice color, not the color of the grape skins.

    when they're made into raisins, they're called golden raisins. so "white" isn't even the only one.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Might be different in other languages, but English usually divides grapes into red and white for color.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Which part of the world are you from? I'm in Canada, and we call them green grapes and red grapes

    https://www.safeway.com/shop/aisles/fruits-vegetables/fresh-fruits/grapes.html?sort=&page=1&loc=3132

    Meanwhile Wikipedia notes '"Black" (dark blue) and "white" (light green) table grapes'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    US. When I go to my local grocery store, they're categorized under white or red.

    At least for white, that is indeed how the English Wikipedia classifies different grape cultivars, even ones that aren't intended to make wine. Black is new to me though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(grape)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeria_(grape)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_(grape)

    Might just be that my grocery store is real local and they do it differently. I try to avoid large chains. But I've always understood white and red to be the technical classifiers of grapes, and the actual color you see with your eyes varies.

    I'm also from a wine-producing region, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    That's only because the wine is whitish. Nobody calls the grapes themselves white. And she squeeze the juice out the juice isn't the same color as the skin. I've never heard anyone refer a grapes as white grapes

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