Ultra-conservative Indians man. They're a certain type of fucked up.
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This is kind of something that actually happens (or at least used to happen) in India.
If a man rapes a woman, people say that he must marry the woman, because "her honour is ruined" or something, and nobody else will accept her as a wife.
I'm pretty sure this still happens in rural areas, where panchayat is the judge and jury.
I've seen interviews of rapists justifying their actions in jail by saying they'll marry her, the country is indeed 60% rural and unfortunately very backwards.
tragically everything except the last part happens quite regularly in certain countries
Isn't this also a rule in the bible?
Eta: yup
Deut. 22:28-29
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,Β he shall pay her father fifty shekelsΒ of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
The "and they are discovered" is extra icing on this shit cake.
"God sees everything."
"Nah, doesn't count."
He exists all the time, ahead of time. I am sure He would not be micromanaging each individual creation like Jeff Bezos micromanages his piss breaks. Regardless, as per my other reply, the quote doesn't count as all standards have been overruled by the new testament. Before you ask why there are new/old testaments despite "existing all the time", I say He just fast forwarded then saw what happened and pushed the Jesus update to fix it.
How do you interpret Matthew 5:17 - 5:18 regarding the Jesus update? Isn't this Jesus saying that the old testament still stands?
It says "fullfill". "I came here not to abolish" quite literally means that the old testament were to still be considered part of the Christian bible and kept for reference. It's a bit difficult for me to define "fullfill", although the "New Living Translation" (which I found here) is, in my opinion, more clear on it with "accomplish their purpose". "Purpose" refers to the one described in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
You forgot the rest.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,[a] not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks[b] one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus is explicitly speaking on the law and prophets, meaning the Torah and Nevi'im, basically the entire old testament. He said not a single stroke of a letter will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away, meaning FOREVER or until end times when a new heaven is created on earth, depending on your interpretation.
Seeing as earth is still here, all has not been accomplished.
Oh come on, we could be debating here all day, that's why there are multiple branches of Christianity in the first place.
Also, correct, not a single stroke of a letter "passed". We were just looking at translations of these strokes of letters. Doesn't mean all of them are still in effect.
Another way to think of it. There are two time conditions specified, "until heaven and earth pass away" and "until all is accomplished". One could assume the first was just filler and second refers to when Jesus finishes teaching everyone.
multiple branches of Christianity
That's a good point. It's weird that the divine word of God is so nebulous as to spawn 40,000 denominations that all think the others have it wrong.
assume the first was just filler
The Bible is really easy to interpret when you just ignore the stuff you don't like. Like the original verse condoning rape. But even if we accept that the old law doesn't apply anymore, it did at one point, meaning God (and therefore Jesus) condoned rape. If you believe God is unchanging, you have to believe he still thinks rape is permissible as long as you marry the victim.
40,000 denominations that all think the others have it wrong
Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18. New living translation to the rescue again:
I tell you the truth, whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.
assume the first was just filler
The Bible is really easy to interpret when you just ignore the stuff you don't like.
Okay, if you interpret the first as something else (like until you don't see heaven and earth so you died, or something else entirely), the other point still stands. I just claimed "another way to think of it", meaning alternative.
If you believe God is unchanging (...) God (and therefore Jesus) condoned rape
Again, multiple ways to go here. I actually personally agree with both here.
Simple one, lots of lines from the book initially quoted follow the structure of "sin - punishment", which implies marrying the victim was meant to be punishment which was then weaponized by the evil.
Now on the extent of God's immutability: He can't age, and is always omni[potent/present/scient], sure, but He made humans in His own image, and humans change all the time. Everything not specified otherwise is commonly assumed to be equal between humans and God. He is usually depicted having arms and legs since humans have those and it was not specified that He doesn't. And I, as one of the creations in His image, would consider myself quite "changed" compared to last year or even 3 or so months ago. Don't see how God couldn't change His opinion on the matter, even despite the modern social construct for "person" often including opinions.
I mean if you want to agree God can change his mind that entails that he can't possibly be all-knowing. Changing your mind generally requires new information that you didn't know before. But that's irrelevant because numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29 both say God can't change his mind.
In the context of a group of camel herders assigning human characteristics to a deity to make it more understandable, it lines up perfectly. In the context of an almighty God handing down his Word to humans, it's contradictory.
On a less serious note, if we're made in his image, does he have a dick n balls? If so, what for?
23:19
Which book?
1 Samuel 15:29

27As Samuel turned to leave, Saul caught hold of the hem of his robe, and it tore. 28Samuel said to him, βThe Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to one of your neighbors - to one better than you. 29He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.β
He won't change His mind in that regard, yes. If interpreted differently, it would be contradicting itself pretty much immediately. Jonah 3:10:
When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.
does he have a dick n balls?
The real answer is that we don't know exactly. Forgot which branches, but He is often depicted as a father in various ways, including as Maria's partner who gave birth to Jesus. Which implies that yes, He does have a dick n balls. Although no actual fucking is described, it's just poof and pregnant. And the literal first few chapters of Genesis say that he explicitly made humans breed, which implies that He himself doesn't have to.
This discussion isn't too productive. I am not a door to door converter, would assume neither are you.
Which book?
I said numbers. The book of numbers.
[19] God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal, that he should change his mind. Has he promised, and will he not do it? Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
And as you pointed out, God does not do everything he says, meaning he either changes his mind (which the inspired word of gawd says he does not) or he lies to people (which is evidently contrary to his nature). Go ahead and read the rest if you want, verse 16 makes it explicit that God actually spoke these words directly to balaam.
Correct. However, old testament. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
What argument? It's literally just a bible verse
Well, people can reasonably believe it is an argument either against the bible or for what is said in the quote.
Although my bad for initially assuming it's the Christian and not Jewish bible they are talking about. I don't have any comment in the latter case, I haven't researched that.
eyetwitch what the fuck

What a day to have eyes π¨
"If a girl losing virginity before marriage and marrying someone else is normal, then why not a girl falling in love with someone who raped her"
The first thing that comes to mind is because women are fucking human beings and not objects whose value is inversely proportional to how much dick she's taken.
Euthanasia could solve this problem. Disgusting waste of human "intelligence"
Is it me, or can anybody else tell from the tone where the guy was jerking while writing the review?
I'm Pakistani. The subcontinent is super conservative. You have to remember the British rules over us for centuries and all our grandparents want to do is to imitate them.
Pretty sure the rape marry thing and even forced child marriages predated the British.
Not that the British weren't complete evil shits, but I don't think this one is on them.
Iβm Pakistani
PTSD from reddit larpers made me vibe check your account lmao.
spoiler
You passed
Ah the good ol' "everything is the fault of colonizers" deflection. Also it was not even a century that the area that is now Pakistan was ruled by British Empire - 98 years to be exact.
Did you even read my comment? I didn't blame the British (tho they deserve a ton of blame). I was criticizing my grandparents generation for not having enough outrage. My grandparents were born in India and had to leave during Partition.
Nah man I understood your comment and you do defer responsibility to "british ruling us for centuries and old people trying to imitate them" as if rape was not a big problem in the region for hundreds of years. I hate colonizers as much as anyone else but when it comes to this issue it's not that.
I feel like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
How I despise all those backwards inbred rednecks all around the world, no matter the country.
If we could just eradicate religion and replace it with education, that would be a start...
Imagine a woman so good she throws acid on her own face to save you the time and expense
Yeah, India has some cultural issues, to say the least. Very, very strange place.
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