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[–] 133 points 3 months ago (5 children)

But they never said they don't care about pronouns. In fact they have very strongly stated that they extremely do care about pronouns

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    True, the one I always think was strange was when I was 6? I had a 1st grade teacher that was adamant we addressed her and others by the correct form of Ms/Miss/Mrs.

    I was 6, I shouldn't have to care at all which adults are romantically involved nor which government documents theyve signed.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    FR I thought the meme was maybe some sort of anti-christian-trans meme like some sort of church for trans out there would hypothetically get peeved about God's pronouns specifically?

    Pure fever dream nonsense.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Ask them how big God's dick is. Tell them you're serious. Make then explain how that's a ridiculous question. Then ask them: if God's gender identity isn't tied to genitals, why do they insist on doing it?

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I've seen God, and she was black.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I take issue with the depiction of God as black or she. When I saw God they had no skin color, because they were not in a form that would ever require skin and they were all genders and none at the same time. Might have been the psychadelics, but I like that interpretation.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    The character of god is basically the ultimate shape shifter. For a being capable of shaping reality with just a thought, I gotta think such a being would be in a pretty constant phase of modifying itself, not just it's reality.

    "He" vs "she" doesn't even scratch the tip of the iceberg when you look at god's arsenal of gender and sex characteristics - just look at some of the crazy shit it put here on earth. And I mean all of it, from the familiar dangly bits in our own pants to like a lizard's cloaca, to pollinators, etc.

    You know the whole "biblically accurate angel" spiel with the trippy shifting eyes? I gotta think god's junk is a similar kaleidoscopic amalgamation of scrotums, clitorises, corkscrew duck penises, pollen, etc; all covered with a hefty amount of pubic hair and buckets of mucous.

     

    Amen.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    familiar dangly bits in our own pants

    Speak for yourself, there's nothing familiar about whatever is going on down there.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    I am curious, historically was God referred to by he, she, or it?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Afaik the English version of the lore has always been 'he'. The original story according to the original language though, idk.

    ...I'd guess the original also used masculine pronouns though, mostly because of the whole triune thing - their 'god' is actually three critters rolled into one. There's the 'father' or what most people mean by the word 'god', the 'son' or 'Jesus', and 'the holy spirit' which is basically The Force from Star Wars.

    I don't recall a sex or gender ever being assigned to The Force, but even if it is canonically female, the sausage fest from the other two would still tip the scales into 'he/him' territory.

    They/them is probably the most accurate even of the lore itself doesn't use it - between the three, god is gender fluid. Volatilely so if we're going with the kaleidoscopic dance in the pants that is my preferred head canon (there's nothing in that book that suggests this isn't the case, and believing based on the lack of disproof is the whole basis for their cult in the first place, so I'm rolling with it!).

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I think prefixing Christian god is better. Every time "well thank Christian god you're alright", just subtly remind them there's other religions, they don't like that

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    GOD IS genderless though, but evangelicals think its a MAN. several movies had made it a woman, to troll how stupid these people are.

    they got upset about how angels are not masculinized, like god they are technically genderless, only not within a host.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I used to do exactly this when referring to the generic all-being (as opposed to the Abrahamic god who has a history and a feminine consort), since biological sex is specific to individual species. Also, the X-gamete is the default. The Y-gamete is a weird shortened appendix.

    Technically, they/them would be more appropriate in this gender-conscious era. It works better for the holy trinity as well, but that's a post-biblical addition to the Christian dogma.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The true god cares not what your fleshy bits or squishy bits say is your pronouns. The true god only cares how many dreadnought rated artillery cannons are plugged directly into your brainstem.

    I serve the Omnissiah.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Did that unknowingly when I was a teen, wondered why it is a he, can't be a she because we are talking about a spirit basically.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Like many languages, languages of the Bible like Hebrew and Greek have grammatical genders. The aspect of God that smites things is grammatically male. The aspect of God that conveys spiritual strength - usually translated as "the Holy Spirit" - is grammatically female. Progressive movements of Protestantism and Judaism see God as both genders: one of the two creation stories in Genesis states God created man AND woman in God's image. The focus on the male aspect of God, and the second creation story in Genesis with the rib thing, is a conservative movement hang-up and not a general religion thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    In his image, is a spiritual image. He gave us a rational soul.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Spirits and souls are not real.

    Try to develop a rational mind, please, your cult is killing us.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    All you do to others is "source?" "verses?"

    And yet when you make a claim, you provide absolutely nothing.

    There is no evidence supporting what you are saying.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Pseudoscience. At least they try to define "soul":

    It's said to be the ultimate animating principle by which we think and feel but isn't dependent on the body.

    They are referring to consciousness, which is dependent on the body (or at least the brain).

    Yet, the current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life.

    Right. Because there is no evidence for it.

    It's considered the incorporeal essence of a person and is said to be immortal and transcendent of material existence.

    Psycho shit.

    Everything knowable about the "soul" can be learned by studying the functioning of the brain. In their view, neuroscience is the only branch of scientific study relevant to understanding the soul.

    Right... because souls don't exist. They are describing consciousness.

    While neuroscience has made tremendous progress illuminating the functioning of the brain, why we have a subjective experience remains mysterious.

    Does it? Our subjective experience is part of the illusion of consciousness.

    This is god of the gaps, but for souls.

    Although the current scientific paradigm is based on the belief that the world has an objective observer-independent existence, real experiments suggest just the opposite.

    Oh no. Time to misunderstand quantum mechanics.

    Until observed, they have no real existence; only when the mind sets the scaffolding in place, can they be thought of as having duration or a position in space.

    Wrong. It likely has nothing to do with a mind. The honest answer is that we don't know yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment#Interpretations_of_the_experiment

    The results not only defy our classical intuition but suggest that a part of the mind — the soul — is immortal and exists outside of space and time.

    "The hope of another life," wrote Will Durant, "gives us courage to meet our own death, and to bear with the death of our loved ones; we are twice armed if we fight with faith."

    And we are thrice armed if we fight with science.

    Faith is a failure to perform science. This article is just more human wishful thinking. They haven't proven a soul, they've leapt to a conclusion despite a lack of evidence.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    God says right in the bible that they are enby.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    This reminds me I was stopped in the street a few years ago by someone explaining some newer Korean Christian based religio/sect which believes that there are two images of God, the father and the mother, as humans were created in God's image. I think it is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Super interesting. There was another newer Korean christian movement that discusses the feminine side of God. Do you think that maybe Taoism and the concept of yin-yang had an impact on their image of God?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    They/them would be more accurate since the god from the Bible is a mixture of different bronze age gods. Did you notice how God is something shown as bloodthirsty and sometimes as benevolent? That is because they took myths and stories from different gods.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Look I think religion is stupid but so is this strawman feelgoodsy argument. So disappointing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's not an argument? How did you get an argument out of this?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    It's implying that there's some sort of hypocrisy or logical contradiction with Christians suddenly caring about pronouns being correct when it applies to God. But that entire premise is wrong, because as someone else eloquently stated, they never claimed not to care about pronouns, in fact they care about them probably more than most transgender people. They just care about them being their version of "right". The post is very clearly meant to be some sort of gotcha or serve to Christianity. But there is no gotcha, so the whole post is stupid. Really picture the exchange:

    A: "I love God, I'm so thankful for how she's blessed me."

    C: "She? God is a man. He blessed you."

    A: "Ohhh, so now you care about getting pronouns right, but not for someone like Elliot Page, huh?"

    C: "No, I always care about getting pronouns right. That's why God is a He and Page is a she, and it pisses me off if you say either of those differently"

    ???

    So with that in mind, we can see this post is just someone owning an imaginary strawman.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well, it's really about misgendering. They're misgendering God, just like they're misgendering Elliot Page. Elliot Page wants to be called he/him and they want God to be called he/him.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    But to the Christians, misgendering is defined as calling someone by the pronouns they "actually aren't", so they would consider he/him pronouns to be misgendering Page. Their notion of misgendering has nothing to do with what the person wants to be called, it has to do with what they fundamentally are. So from that point of view, there's no contradiction in their reasoning. It's internally consistent, and so there's no "revelation" (ha ha) where they're trapped into looking like a fool as this imaginary Twitter post scenario implies. So this whole hypothetical demonstration of calling God a girl still goes nowhere. Go back to my initial dialogue. See how there's no next response for the atheist, how it ends with the atheist having nothing to say? That's why the Le Epic Win in the original post is not what it's presented to be. Its a bad argument. The argument is implicit, but it's there. It's the entire content of the post.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    🎵My...

    Mom's...

    God is a woman

    and my mom she is a witch

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    This... 🎵

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  • [+] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It was also translated from ancient Hebrew and Greek, not sure how exactly those languages handle gendered and gender neutral pronouns.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Came across interesting idea mentioning that in original Hebrew, when we call God is "one" (Deuteronomy 6:4, the Jewish Shema) they use the word "echad" meaning something more complicated than one singular thing, so like the unity of multiple. Other times that word is used is when God created first day and first night, combining them into "one" day-cycle. And also when describing man and woman becoming "one" in marriage.

    So it's not so far fetched for some to argue that God is both male and female, similar to Taoism's idea of yin-yang. I personally think they're describing the same concept from different angles. But those Christians believing in the trinity might beg to differ.

    I'm not Christian, but I do find studying world religions very fascinating.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Why would God be limited by gender? This is such a weird belief to have. Doesn't need a physical form, isn't limited by space or time, but is always male...somehow.

    Also, a lot of these same people believe that your genitalia determines what your gender is. Which means that they believe that God has a cock and balls. How can you have a cock and balls when you don't have a body?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Only because "he" can be gender neutral in English. Singular "they" is old but has never really been popular. The original languages don't have gendered pronouns.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Greek and Hebrew definitely do have gendered pronouns. Though Hebrew generally prefers suffixes, they're certainly gendered. Interestingly Greek also has a neuter gender in both pronouns and nouns. A better argument might be that God's gender is self-defined, rather than on a biological basis.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Well, there was this one German band who did that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp53irFjzYg
    (Maybe some of you are familiar with the nightcore version instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVIFMbwxOc)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Just bring up Ashera.

    Yahweh's ex.

    That he doesn't mention any more, but we know existed.

    Ask them if it might have something to do with Yahweh saying 'My name is Jealous', except of course, he says it in the third person.

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