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Juno Computers begins work on a Qt-based OpenStreetMap navigation app (foss2go.com)
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[–] 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I am not knowledge in the area, but wouldn't it be better to work to add a Linux build to comaps, rather than starting from relative scratch?

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  • [+] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You work quickly. Next do an RCS messaging app for Linux.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    RCS is a service that requires a closed source backend run by google and google authorized companies. It also requires google play services for the frontend. Its an inherently closed system. Google controls who and how it can be used.

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    • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Navigation was the "killer app" that paved my way from flip-phone to my first smartphone in 2014. The market for any smartphone would be pretty sparse without nav.

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Since magic earth went freemium and started charging for the useful bit of it I'm waiting for an alternative. ME was closed source, but I was willing to overlook that since it at least wasn't google.

    Basically I want a libre version of Waze not owned by Google. Extra sweet if they could save the traffic data in an open format on a platform where volunteers could pool resources, like IPFS or Hyphanet or something like that.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    It costs money to host servers. If you want traffic data worldwide with live updates, you need servers.

    Could it be done peer to peer? Well maybe, but people's phones would be running pretty hot if they had to double as nodes, or we'd have to have a fediverse of servers for it. Someone is always going to have to pay for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    This might not be the best solution, but Sygic is great, often at a deep discount and Slovakian.

    Depending on the country though. I heard osmand and co are great in the USA. In Germany I found them all very unhelpful.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I was really annoyed whith the freemium of Magic Earth shipping with /e/OS, so went back to HERE WeGo that is perfect for my use.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Does that have live traffic data and people reporting obstacles and traffic and such?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I only rent a car when moving or going to shop for cheep alcohol in Sweden, normally on weekends or slow weekdays, so not sure for the status in Norway, but can check tomorrow morning.

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    • [–] -5 points 3 months ago

    Had a friend vibe-code an offline maps clone based on OSM data, and it has been amazing. They even synced it with local bus data, so very nice.

    Excellent dataset and I really hope more people get access to it.

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    [–] 100 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    After some finaggling I managed to compile it (here's the nix file I used to get the dependencies). It's looking basic but actually promising! Here are some screenshots (sorry for potato quality, it's the only one Lemmy allows me to upload at for some reason):

    The search seems quite nice, it seems to search by names but also allows to search for (some?) OSM tags, e.g. amenity:drinking_water shows up water fountains around you. I'm actually annoyed that other apps don't allow you to do so this easily.

    The navigation also seems to work-ish, which is surprising for such a young app. The only remaining things before it's really useful is downloadable maps and offline routing.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Is the link not working or is it an issue on my end?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    It was indeed broken, fixed now.

    If you decide to actually go for it, in order to get it to compile I did something like this:

    nix-shell
mkdir build && cd build
cmake ..
cmake --build . -j$(nproc)
wrapQtApp bin/CarNavigation
NIXPKGS_QT6_QML_IMPORT_PATH=/nix/store/66hlc66dkinbrc7ifq0v6ynaq3vkv35y-maplibre-native-qt-3.0.0/qml bin/CarNavigation

    (I'm not sure why the wrapQtApp doesn't pick up maplibre, maybe it's something to do with the patches they apply, didn't have time to investigate. I also didn't have the time to investigate what is needed to get it "installed", hence to installPhase and nix-build doesn't work)

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    • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    2027 year of the Linux... phone???

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Linux is already the most common kernel in phones in 2026. In this case we really have to distinguish between Linux (incl. Android) and GNU/Linux.

    And given that AOSP is already FOSS, it doesn't exactly sound like a priority to reinvent the wheel of a FOSS smartphone OS.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Being able to make apps in plain Python or Rust, without running Android Studio sounds like a dream. Automatic simple things with cron. Using standard systemd, pipewire, wayland software stack... Being able to see data of apps and backup them with Restic or Syncthing. Repurposing old smartphone as Raspberry Pi replacement...

    There are so many things we miss.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Of course those would be good things. It still doesn't sound like priority #1 when it comes to software freedom alone especially in a world where smartphones are mostly not open systems designed for installation of any new operating systems.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    AOSP is controlled and maintained by a single bad-faith entity. We need a community-maintained, community-led replacement ASAP.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    Yes, alas the tech community is too infested of liberals who don't see how the current make up of corpo backed up "foss" is bad for the overall community, like the commenter above. We're in an all time high disinterestedness about FOSS policies and politics.

    The guys who created the ecosystem were experienced adults, the kids who are inheriting it don't know nothing and don't want to learn it either.

    The old men are culprit of this too, Linux was never aboult only "gaming like Windows" and they failed at teaching this. And here we are.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    back in my day

    pun definitely intended

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Nope, this os more about the state of things in general. I'm not only blaming the kids, certainly there also insidious work at play here in how nobody is stepping up to keep the boat on the original intended course.

    And the old gurus are to blame as well, many either kneel to the Man with fat pockets or stopped to care.

    As for what is the right course, do you see the "socialist" up there? That's also a discussion we have in our circles. "Is mass adoption always good?" Or "Is it better to have 5% of highly engaged people in a community whom the (apolitical) 'sheep' will follow and learn to and to build up from there?" You may guess my favorite approach.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You know Foss is where it is right now because of corporation backing. Good or bad Linux the OS would not be where it is without the money. People are not going to donate and people have to provide for themselves and family.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I didn't think Linux needs to be in defense systems and Teslas, for instance. You have money driven metrics of success that's not necessarily true for FOSS. And nobody is talking about monry per si but about governance instead. Class struggle is how concessions are taken from the Capital, not by bending to the Man.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You know all the big FOSS projects are the same. Foss is nightly controlled by corporations because as much as people would like to deny it people like to eat.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    Eh, for sure corporations do contribute a lot to every major FOSS project out there. I don't expect huge, versatile codebases to be maintained by volunteers lemmy-style, and corpos are the dominant organization kind under the capitalist mode of production, so of course they will have the resources to have a foot in every door.

    But the key differentiator is how much control any single entity has over the project's code, maintenance and infrastructure. On one side of the spectrum there's stuff like Rust or ffmpeg or GNU which are being pulled in various directions by various corpos and the community, on the other there's stuff like Chromium and AOSP where Google unilaterally controls everything. Projects like Linux or Firefox fall somewhere in the middle. We desperately need more projects to be of the first kind, and I feel like to achieve this projects should go as far as to ban donations over a certain amount and limit the number of contributors affiliated with a single organization. "Avoid success at all costs" is my single favorite rule of FOSS building, and it should be applied to technical, financial and organizational decisions all the same.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm tempted to put Linux in the second class: I didn't vote to put Linux in AI servers, defense projects, Teslas. I didn't choose to ban devs based on their nationalities either. I'd be pretty wary of allowing MIT kernel modules.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think the key point with Linux is that at least no single corporation has enough control over it to dictate the direction of the project on its own. Sure, modern Linux is fairly corporate and somewhat beholden to capitalist interests in general, but there's a lot of different actors pulling things in different directions, and the community (by that I mean non-corpo interests) still plays a role in decision making.

    I didn't vote to put Linux in AI servers, defense projects, Teslas

    The definition of FLOSS mandates that software authors relinquish control over how and by whom their software is used, see for example the JSON licensing controversy. But I agree that we should rethink this somewhat libertarian approach and at least try to prevent our software being used for evil.

    I didn't choose to ban devs based on their nationalities

    Yeah that one was a yikes. Especially given it wasn't even prompted by any legal threats, it was just the Linux devs complying with an unjust law prematurely.

    I'd be pretty wary of allowing MIT kernel modules.

    Wait, is that a thing?? Unless you mean the out of tree modules, in which case the MIT ones are not the worst offenders (looking at you NVidia)

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    • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Itd be cool if they reverse the Android auto protocol so anything can use the car displays.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    There are wireless adaptors for android auto and CarPlay that relay to head units that require a usb connection you can get cheaply. It’s already been done. But I haven’t name able to find a project supporting it on Linux yet.

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    • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That's cute(qt)

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    • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It'd be cool if they managed to get OsmAnd~ on linux

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I use CoMaps on Linux (as well as mobile) and it works quite well. It uses data from OpenStreetMaps.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    CoMaps is the only lightweight and simple app that i can get my wife to use on GOS. Pretty good. Organic Maps disappointing. Osmand too many features for someone that just needs to get from a to b. Didnt know that ut could run on linux.

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    • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    If they can manage this and works with grapheneos as an auto headunit I would do be so excited. Or if I can just cast it basically

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    I like Qt.

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Description: Car navigation application for Linux A turn-by-turn car navigation app built with Qt 6, MapLibre, and OpenStreetMap data. Features include voice guidance, Overture Maps POI search, and offline route calculation via OSRM or Valhalla.

    I am confused. Looking at the code, both OSRM and Valhalla are actually online routing services and require an internet connection. There is no offline route calculation in this code as far as I can tell.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, it doesn't have downloadable maps or offline routing (at least yet). It does however cache the map tiles it downloaded, and it seems to also cache some POIs (e.g. I can see opening hours for shops around me even without the internet).

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    • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Direct link to the gitlab repository:
    https://gitlab.com/junocomp/car-navigation

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    [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    I fail to see the point. The company sells laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled not phones which are the targets of such apps. Linux phones are still in their infancy and for Android we do have excellent apps like Mapy pulling their data from OSM. What am I missing?

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    They may be working on a Linux-based car head unit, which is kinda between a phone and a laptop (like a tablet, which it basically is). If that's the case, something like this would be a required app, and current (non-android) Linux offerings are somewhat limited (basically it's just PureMaps and a couple forks, which all work but are a bit janky). If they end up with something useful, it would be great for both phones and cars.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    This makes a lot of sense actually. It'd be awesome to have more options for head units. I'm not sure about the target though, amateurs working on their car or restoring old models? I don't see a lot of companies choosing a Linux based head unit for their cars. But the same argument could be said for Linux phones too.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I’m not sure about the target though, amateurs working on their car or restoring old models?

    Yeah, personally I'd be their target audience, if they announce it soon enough and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I can also see some european manufacturers looking to decouple from the US tech being somewhat interested.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    A friend of mine is restoring an old muscle car and I bet he'd love something like this as well. It's a niche but we Linux enthusiasts can be quite passionate so I do think the audience is out there for sure.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think organizations working around sensitive installations could be interested.

    For example the car used to drive around nuclear powerplants, military installations or just industrial equipment. Modern cars have GPS and cameras and you don't want to have random cameras recording around sensitive installations.

    They could remove the cameras but then the car would not be road legal anymore.

    A Linux based head unit would allow them to customize it to the level of security they require while still retaining the benefit of modern cars.

    It's a niche but a niche that have the means to infest a lot in development

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think about this a lot and if you can even consider Linux phones in their infancy. There are no modern Linux phones that fully work as a phone. Its the joke about this being the year of Linux over and over. Ubuntu touch was started in 2011 and since then it hasn't changed or advanced in any meaningful way. Every other Linux phone distro is basically the same story. I would love to even be able to get a Jolla phone in the US, but that's not an option. I occasionally see people say they are using Linux phones as a daily driver, and then find out they are using some obscure or ancient hard to get phone. Or better yet, it's just a secondary phone. They are a curiosity at best which makes me sad.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I think that as a community we should try to keep android as open as possible first of all. I daily drive GrapheneOS for instance and I don't feel the need for a Linux phone. I get that both can coexist but I'm afraid we won't be able to carve a big enough niche to male Linux phones work.

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    • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ooooooo

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Are they planning to license it as free software?

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Qt-based

    OP, THEY'RE BASING IT OFF YOU!

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