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[–] 225 points 3 months ago (13 children)

“There are more people that die in Europe from heat deaths than people that die from gun deaths in America. Why aren’t you writing an article about air conditioning?” asked Musk.

“Well, we’ve done several on air conditioning, and we had on our cover last week a whole long piece about…” said Beddoes.

“Pro-air conditioning?” Musk asked sheepishly.

“Very pro-air conditioning,” she responded. “You should read us sometime.”

It’s kind of the perfect moment. Musk throws out some meaningless gotcha and then asks why the media isn’t talking about something that he’s become hyperfocused on. In his ignorance, he demonstrates they actually are writing about the thing he cares about. And he just looks like an idiot.

I especially liked this part. The video of this exchange is even better! He thinks he's sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts...

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  • [–] 104 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    "I didn't see it, so it must not exist" -- world's richest man; also infants under a year old who haven't yet developed object permanence.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I dunno man, my 7 month old has at least an inkling of object permanence, so gotta bump that ager down to like 3-4 months old imo!

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Mines coming up on 5 and still no idea i exist when we peekaboo

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This got me thinking of what a wild experience that must be for a baby. And what a weird thing "peekaboo" is that we just do to babies and they love it and it's so fun for both parties

    Is this something that humans have done with their babies forever? Is this a type of oral tradition humans have adopted that transcends cultures?

    I went looking and found this:
    https://uwaterloo.ca/childrens-communication-lab/sites/default/files/uploads/files/fernald.peekaboo_1993.pdf

    It is a really fun read and it seems peekaboo is a game played worldwide with parents and infants

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Babies forget we were there, but love that we came back, and we get a dopamine hit from the smile they give us. It’s probably an evolutionary ancient game.

    I haven’t read the link above, but do any other animals play like this? I think wolf pups and dogs might do this too, not to mention apes, bears, any probably most other non prey animals. Or animals that raise their young for any significant amount of time.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He thinks he's sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts...

    Whataboutism is central to conservative "discussion".

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Given all that, HuffPost asked the White House: Who picked Budapest?

    White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded minutes later with: “Your mom did.”

    White House Communications Director Steven Cheung after a minute added the far more succinct: “Your mom.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-wild-response-to-huffpost-question_n_68f26217e4b0ee732e24eb66

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "He thinks he's sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts..."

    Given all that, HuffPost asked the White House: Who picked Budapest?

    White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded minutes later with: “Your mom did.”

    White House Communications Director Steven Cheung after a minute added the far more succinct: “Your mom.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-wild-response-to-huffpost-question_n_68f26217e4b0ee732e24eb66

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  • [–] 221 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    “A quarter billion people follow me,” Musk said, referring to his X followers, adding “I think a lot more people actually like me than don’t.”

    trillion bucks, thirsty AF

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  • [–] 189 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    LOL didn't he start forcing himself to be followed by default on Twitter? That's even more pathetic.

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  • [–] 118 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Guess he stole that idea too. Nlg8kQmXgF1C5Xv.jpeg

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    He is easily one of the most hated people on this planet, especially after the murders he committed by cutting all those federal services that help people.

    He's a selfish prick that ignores charity and flaunts fascism openly, complete with a televised salute attributed to one of the most evil men to ever walk the earth.

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  • [–] 160 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Musk insisted backyard tomatoes weren’t as good as those you can buy from the store, but people still do it anyway.

    I'm curious when the last time this man made his own meal was.

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  • [–] 92 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    What can one tomato cost Michael, ten dollars?

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    there’s always money in the afghanistan

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Plundering Afghanistan is so passé, it's all about Iran and Gaza now

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    yeah but that didn’t rhyme.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    The superiority of homegrown tomatoes is like THE universally agreed upon gardening fact that everyone who's ever had a garden knows. People go their whole lives thinking they don't like tomatoes or that they taste bland and then they try a homegrown one and they're like "Wow, that's what this is supposed to taste like?"

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    [–] 124 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    “And also, if you look at the people that are employed at my companies. You know, we have senior executives of all races. I don’t think there’s any racism there.”


    Tesla settles with three workers as Fremont factory racism cases by hundreds of workers continue

    440 workers filed five lawsuits, with 54 to 98 plaintiffs in each, seeking damages over the alleged racism at the Fremont plant. As of July 24, the number had grown to 854 workers in 10 lawsuits with 54 to 106 plaintiffs each.

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  • [–] 120 points 3 months ago (25 children)

    Musk insisted backyard tomatoes weren’t as good as those you can buy from the store, but people still do it anyway.

    Spoken like a man who has never grown tomatoes at home.

    I hated tomatoes until I ate a home grown Black Krim sandwich. Now there's the added benefit that I know it's not covered in salmonella or diarrhea parasites.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Because everything he says, no matter how trivial, is wrong. The man is incapable of being correct about anything.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    He's correct about The Culture being an amazing vision of how humanity's future could look like. He's absolutely off his rocker about how to get there

    The Culture IS “fully automated luxury queer space communism”, that's just a straight-up summary of it. In The Culture:

    • it's communism. There's not even money.
    • everyone can “gland” drugs for pleasure, performance or to change their sex. How the fuck does that match Musk’s anti-trans shit?
    • diversity permeates everything; obviously internally, but also externally, as they try to get along with everyone who isn't a galactic imperialist threat. How the hell does that match Musk’s xenophobia?

    It's weird how Musk seems to basically be a tankie: he wants to achieve communism by any means necessary …

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Honestly it's batshit that anyone can read The Culture and NOT understand the entire point is that The Culture persists and succeeds where others fail because of it's values and diversity. Very much including those constant sex changes and anarcho-communism/socialism.

    Hell, the Idiran war (for those not familiar, a horrible war that takes place in the first book and the rest of the books in various ways deal with the fallout and trauma from it) is entirely about fighting a jingoistic, imperialist force before they gather enough strength to inevitably destroy the culture.

    This tells me that either Elon has never actually read them, or that he's a moron.

    Probably both.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I guess i got to read them more. I only read Player of Games and Consider Phlebas and my take away was that they have what's almost a paradise but it's still fucked up.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    A common mistake readers make is that they believe the Vavatch orbital is Culture. It's very definitely not, so all the unsavory stuff going on there isn't a reflection of the Culture. Not Damage, not the Eaters (they hate The Culture!), and so on.

    Use of Weapons, Consider Phlebas, and to a lesser degree Player of Games are mostly outsider perspectives of The Culture, so that warps judgement a little too.

    IDK if Iain Banks could have made it clearer that Vavatch is non-Culture. I guess us only knowing drones and orbitals from The Culture made some readers conflate the two societies despite their extreme moral differences.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    I also only 'read' as an audio book so i might missed a few details. I was not even referring to Vavtch. But the cia shit they pull in PoG.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    The Culture doesn't believe in non-interference. But it's not “CIA shit” if they're actually doing it to influence a society to become better rather than just pretending that that's the goal in order to take their oil.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    But that is just their idea of better.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    And yours. And mine. And everyone else's who isn't a fascist who wants to oppress other people.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I guess i cant not see the parallels of a lot of US intervention in 3rd world countries. Because those where pitched in much the same way.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah because some of these pitches would have been actually morally OK reasons for intervention if they would have been the true reason.

    If Saddam Hussein would have been a crazed madman with weapons of mass destruction that he was ready to use on a whim, intervention would have been the right thing to do. That's why they used that lie, to make it look better.

    But I get it: there are gray zones and other Culture novels dive into them. There's a peace faction as a response to the Idrian war, and so on.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My neice apparently "hated" tomatos until she tried a cherry from my greenhouse. She ate six of them and every time she came over patted the outside of the greenhouse singing "mato mato mato please"

    Most store sold tomatoes aren't allowed to ripen on their own and their flavours are totally messed up as a result

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Most store sold tomatoes aren’t allowed to ripen on their own and their flavours are totally messed up as a result

    This is what many people need to learn and it applies to many varieties of fruit. Most fruits can't ripen after being picked. They just soften and rot.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Can bet he doesn't even knows how the inside of a store looks like, neither how a stores tomato tates like. His personal chef must source them from an specialty farm or even grow them itself without Musk even knowing about.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, home grown actually have flavour. The shit you buy in supermarkets mostly just tastes of water because it's been harvested too early and shipped halfway round the world. I got some really yummy orange cherry plants going at the mo, can't remember the variety but I've finally learned to get blight resistant varieties.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I’ve never gotten anything of significance from my grows. A Handful of tomatoes, shrunken zucchini. I don’t know how people produce anything that makes a dent in their grocery bills without significant cost and time investment. Do you own land? Are you working like a farmer?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I live in a van on a disused carpark, so everything I grow has to be in pots. The key is regular feeding - I use an organic seaweed extract. Comfrey tea is good if you don't want to spend money, fuckin stinks tho.

    Edit - eating some of my tomatoes right now, actually, with a bit of cheese. Yummy!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, I think the most classic rookie gardening mistake is thinking that plants only need water. They need nutrients just like the rest of us. By only giving plants water they basically starve to death when they have depleted their growing soil of nutrients.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not good at it by any means, but it's a process and it gets easier. I am also not at the point where it could save me money after year 1, but Ive learned and I can see it. The most important steps for me... First step, wait for snow and buy a greenhouse when it's super cheap, you will want bigger than you think. Greenhouses can also get too hot, figure out a plan for that. Second step, buy seeds for plants farmers actually grow in your climate not just the ones in the store. There are more varieties of individual plants than expected and ones bred for your climate will grow drastically better.

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  • [–] 95 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How is that mediocre nazi cunt still getting media coverage when he should be treated like he's never existed?Men like that don't coil when they're hated. They melt when they're ignored.

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  • [–] 79 points 3 months ago

    A notable thing the article doesn't specify is that when the pasty pap smear and the journalist discussed his constant idiotic claims that "UK is inevitably headed for civil war", first he said it was a natural consequence of people having different points of view. Okay... she disagreed and he insisted she just didn't know because she lived a "cloistered life". Ah yes, obviously this trillionaire moron who has been rich all his life doesn't lead a cloistered life. He's a real man on the street.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    “If you have vast numbers of robots with vast amounts of digital intelligence, you have a sort of a quasi-infinite economy,” said Musk. “The future is going to be very, very different from the past. There’s no analogy or metaphor that I think illustrates the magnitude of change that we’re going to experience here.”

    This is a classic argument from ignorance. "If I don't know about something, then it doesn't exist."

    But one very stupid thing about his statement is that there is obviously an analogy. It's just like when people openly owned slaves. Slaves do all the work, and the master profits. Or, you could say it's just like the life Musk is living right now.

    Fuck me, the word "robot" is even derived from an Old Slavic word meaning "slave." It's right there in the fucking name. But Elon doesn't know about it, so I guess it doesn't exist.....

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Musk is like a slightly smarter version of Trump discovering the word 'dumb' has a 'd' in it. He delights in using words like 'quasi', because he thinks it makes him sound like some sort of ahem uber-intelligent god-man who he thinks everyone should worship.

    Basically, he's a needy little bitch.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    There's also all the backend that he doesn't care about. The power and the materials required for those robots and digital intelligences comes from a place, it doesn't just materialize as parts for your stupid Optimus.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    this bitchass can just lie, or say anything he wants, nothing happens. no repercussions, nothing. why does he even struggle?

    just say whatever is expedient for you. we hate you. and wosh you a slow death by cancer regardless of what u say

    eugenic loving nazi queen

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    He suggested that everyone read Iain Banks for a vision of the future, and Beddoes pointed out that Banks was a socialist. Musk insisted he wasn’t.

    Criticizing a thing as socialism when it's actually capitalism. Describing a socialist utopia and insisting it's not socialism. This isn't a thing unique to Musk. Why are people like this?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    socialist utopia

    As someone who has read all the books in Culture series I would (and will if provoked) argue that, as most books about utopias, it's actually describing a dystopia. No idea if it's socialist or not, but in the society Banks is describing people are reduced to the role of pets, not equal partners of AI.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not really, human agents are still highly valued, hence the combo of human+drone team. If what you said was correct then they're have just used avatars for everything. Djan Seriy Anaplian for example was a fucking badass.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes really.

    1. Straight out in the first book Culture is shown as the bad guy, civilization that is not alive and has to be destroyed. It wins eventually but the point stands: Culture kind of like the Borg, absorbing humanoid species and growing without limits.

    2. No other civilization relies on AI as much. In Hydrogen Sonata you have good description of other civilization that uses digital constructs that are still based on humans, not pure AI. There's clear distinction between AI controlled Culture and other civilizations. Why other civilizations don't use AI as much? Because they don't want be controlled by it.

    3. It's clear AI likes to use people so it manipulates them to do what it wants. Player of Games is clear example of that. In State of the Art AI straight out assassinates a guy who doesn't want to follow its orders.

    4. In State of the Art Culture is also shows as sterile and boring. Everyone behaves because they don't have a choice, their actions are meaningless, they don't really control or anything or advance the civilization.

    5. People have more of a sentimental value for AI. It does recognize human as intelligent the same way we recognize that animals are alive. People are sure taken care of but everything is run by AI. People are just pets.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Some interesting points! Not sure why you're being downvoted for having an opinion, even if it's not the same as some others, but I appreciate you taking the time to discuss the series. Such a shame he didn't get to write more.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    The Culture is described as a libertarian utopia (EDIT: libertarian socialist? I think I misremember. At least socialism as a word doesn't appear), except that the habitat minds are benevolent and you have practically socialism because nothing costs anything. Not even land really because they can build as many orbitals as they want. They have zero laws. You can also see it as an anarchist utopia. You have no market and no capitalism. Basically once you have AGI and full abundance, economic systems like capitalism/socialism don't mean anything any more.

    Only ethics matter then, which Musk is incapable of because he's a malignant narcissist. And he has been actively trying to create a malignant (anti-woke) AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The Culture is some sort of quasi-anarchic non-capitalist thing, though it's hard to say for sure. It certainly is not capitalist, though, as the role of profitable production is not to increase the capital of those who already have it. Nothing is really socialized, though, and private property does seem to exist, so I don't know that I would consider the Culture socialist or even communist. Maybe some sort of anarchic post-communist utopia.

    In any case, Musk is a fucking idiot. Just a genuinely foolish person. And, like, yeah, Banks himself was a socialist.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Right it would be called revisionist. The idea that socialism is one rigid set of prescriptive ideals is a misconception, at least to most political scientists. There are of course Orthodox Marxists, but nobody really takes them seriously outside of their little internet fiefdoms. For most other political philosophers, socialism is a range of beliefs and practices loosely tied together by the desire for, or belief in a post capitalist world. How you get there and what it exactly looks like is the topic of much debate, to the point where it usually feels counterproductive to even get tied up in labels. This "proper noun" philosophy is a good way to get oriented out of the gate, but the real work comes in how those labels get reduced to first principles more than the labels themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago*

    A simplified and opinionated explanation:

    During the red scare, the boomers were programmed to be scared of anything remotely communist. The middle class was allowed to exist as 'muricas bling mostly to distract from the societal improvements theorized by socialist philosophers. In the 50s in America, they gave us just enough for people to shut up and try to be happy for 50 years while the underlying systems were being broken even worse than before. Some people are particularly susceptible to this and would trade their freedom for a tide pod, a stick of gum and a pocket constitution while rabidly denouncing socialists (even those who advocate for the benefit and fair treatment of non-socialists and socialists alike). Socialism is painted with the brush of it's biggest failures; capitalism is only painted from the angles that make it look good and hide it's collateral fallout.

    Tl:Dr 50+ years of social conditioning and societal sculpting done to ensure scary communists from the 1940s and 50s don't call you comrade.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago

    Narrator: "But he did care. He cared a lot. In fact, he was desperate for people to love him, and proclaim him the best person in the history of humanity, in any field of endeavour. Desperate".

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    “On the one hand, we started this conversation, and you described to me this extraordinarily transformative, amazing civilizational changing stuff that’s happening in the next 10 years. And yet you’re also, you know, an ongoing participant in the worst kind of tribalism… cesspit of social media.”

    Beddoes asked how he can believe in these “two very different views of the world.” Musk simply responded, “I don’t think they’re inconsistent,” without elaborating further.

    Beddoes is absolutely right. If money isn't going to be a thing in 10 years, then why not just spend like crazy right now? It doesn't matter if poor people move to rich countries because it will all be moot in 10 years. You can just use deficit spending if that's really the case.

    Or you know what? Musk could use all of his vast wealth to improve as many lives as he can for the next 10 years. He'd be up there with Andrew Carnegie among the highest echelon of rich assholes who will be remembered for a long time by doing nothing except giving their money away. If he only has to do this until this singularity where money becomes meaningless, there's no point to him saving money all the way until that moment.

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