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People saying just build your own steam machine don't get its appeal (programming.dev)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.world
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Doing it yourself would mean visiting one of those build your own pc forums for help, and I think most people would rather kill themselves.

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[–] 27 points 3 months ago

What a very strange way to say "I don't want to". Some people are very odd.

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    [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Jokes and sarcastic remarks are not received on lemmy.

    Be prepared for a deadly serious carefully crafted soapbox post.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    theres a reason /s has become a thing to indicate sarcasm.

    and its because true stupidity has become so extreme that its impossible to tell from sarcasm in the tone free medium of text.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    and its because true stupidity has become so extreme that its impossible to tell from sarcasm in the tone free medium of text.

    Eh. There's some sarcasm where it's so subtle that it better fits into an example pf Schroedinger's Asshole

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    • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Haven't seen that come up a lot. I have seen "I want official support from valve" and "I want to support valve". Not so much of what you've suggested.

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    [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    The people downvoting this don't understand how intimidating building and upgrading PCs is to the average person. Like seriously, there's a reason prebuilts exist. Building a PC may seem easy if you're used to doing it, but most people aren't.

    A lot of people see a PC as this magic box that runs games and other programs, and they don't dare open it up for fear of breaking something. Heck, a lot of people don't even understand that an operating system is just a piece of software that can be swapped out for other software, and not an integral part of the system they're using.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I know a number of people that have demonstrated all of the required skills at work but the mere thought of plugging unique shapes into the matching sockets scares the fuck out of them.

    Having the electrician at work watch me build a computer and ask "how do you know you won't electrocute yourself?" made me facepalm thermal paste between my eyebrows. He even solders but he seemed serious, confused, and a bit defensive when I said something like "oh fuck off ya turd".

    I think about that every block in the square hole video with the girl crying a lot. At first it feels like its pointing out lousy and exploitable design, but I start thinking that a lot of people won't be able to solve it and it's actually showing how most people think and the girl is the outlier dying from trying to teach people incapable of brain cell.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    It pains me that people are like that. Working with computer hardware really isn't that scary unless you're cracking open a CRT monitor or a power supply for whatever reason.

    I'd like to think that more people would be able to work with computer hardware if they simply set aside their fears and preconceptions and were willing to learn a few things, but like I said before, there are plenty of people who see computers as "magic boxes".

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I've built all of my machines and I'm still afraid to open them up. It always feels like they just worked by chance and if I tinker with it, something's going to break.

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    • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I thought your joke was funny 👍

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    • [+] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)
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    • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    When I asked on the subreddit for pc building ages ago, people seemed genuinely helpful and friendly?

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    • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I mean rather kill themselves is a bit harsh. You could buy a computer and install bazzite but I get the appeal of a vendor warranty that covers both the machine and the os.

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    [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I kind of got your frustration, I also would love for more options in the marcher for “steam machine-like” consumer hardware, almost like a “console” version of the steam machine.

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    [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    You can get other pre built PCs

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I don't think you really need those forums. However, why not just slap Ubuntu on a second hand PC, put a decent GPU in and install Steam from the app store? Isn't SteamOS Linux-based anyways?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Lol, have fun with the metric ton of shit that is the Snap Store and Ubuntu. You'd immediately run into problems doing what you just said, and the performance wouldn't be the same either (assumming similar hardware). Not even mentioning the metric shit-ton of garbage you may run into with Nvidia.

    So many enthusiasts don't even realise how much work and knowledge goes into setting something up that works as well as the Gabecube. If you believe it's just "pick random distro and install Steam" you're painfully mistaken.

    I myself run CachyOS on my daily driver and have the Gamescope Session installed which they provide, which is as close as you gonna get (as Cachy brings most kernel optimizations, better scheduler yada yada yada) for when I want to game on my TV. But that still led me through the CLI and has some caveats, which is absolutely 100% nothing most gamers want or even have the time to inbetween e.g. family + job.

    OP may be out of line with language, but they're right.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    CachyOS is most definitely not "as close as it gets" to SteamOS. Cachy is performance driven whereas SteamOs much like Bazzite is compatibility driven. Valve's main goal is for their distribution to run on everything, performance is a low priority.

    better scheduler

    That's not a thing, the words you're looking for are "scheduler optimized for gaming at the cost of performance in other domains like power consumption", you also don't need it because common programs like gamemode already do this.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Valve’s main goal is for their distribution to run on everything, performance is a low priority.

    Are you trolling or something? This is categorically false, Gabe Newell himself expressed that with the Steam Deck (and therefore SteamOS, which was designed specifically for it in this modern version) their focus absolutely was performance as well as user experience. It had to so they could squeeze every last frame out of the AMD SoC. They literally developed their own micro-compositor (Gamescope) instead of utilizing e.g. Plasma (despite it being pre-installed for Desktop mode) for higher performance and quicker feature availability. Not to mention Nvidia GPUs still not being fully supported by SteamOS despite it being technically possible if they wanted to. Your claim about SteamOS' priorities is nonsense.

    the words you’re looking for are “scheduler optimised for gaming at the cost of performance in other domains like power consumption”

    So a better scheduler for gaming distros, which indeed was the context. Though I'd argue there are schedulers who're even objectively better for general desktop and gaming use as the one that treats every process equally isn't optimal to make either a GUI feel snappy or prevent microstuttering in games, but rather optimised for server workloads.

    Gamemode is cool, however if you want to build your own Gabecube with some random distro it's absolutely not guaranteed to run during a Gamescope session or even at all, not all distros ship or enable it by default or you have to put "gamemoderun %command%" into every game's start parameters. Not to mention most users most likely neither know what that is nor do they want to, they want to play games and just use the computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    So a better scheduler for gaming distros

    CachyOS is not a gaming distro, it is a performance distro, and this is from the mouth of its own developers. Everybody thinks their scheduler is the best - there's probably a meme about it somewhere, you'd probably get more aggressive scheduling with gamemode than regular cachy because gamemode expects you to be playing a game when you use it... and fyi gamemode is used by default in applications like lutris.

    SteamOS is a desktop distribution now, that means full compatibility - at least once they start supporting nvidia. Maybe when they supported only the steam deck they could afford some targeted optimizations, but the more systems start running SteamOS the wider the target will have to become.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Can confirm, if you search steam in Ubuntu, it automatically gives you their buggy 3rd party snap. I didn't realize it until steam link didn't work, and all the file paths for debugging were really weird.

    Also installing Ubuntu on hardware runs the same risk as installing windows on hardware: hardware may or may not be supported or easy to get going.

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    • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    a. pcpartpicker checks compatibility for you so you dont get parts that dont work together

    1. there are tons of videos explaining how its done on the internet
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    [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Most people have "a nerdy guy" in their lives they can ask for help. And since you're posting here.. I'm almost certain you're that guy for your people 😉

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    [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Unless the form factor is really a must i would still recommend just getting a more generic prebuild. That way it leaves the door open for you to upgrade some parts later if you feel up for it.

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