Fuck Cars

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It shouldn't be but if this makes it harder for other companies to do this, it would be kinda funny lol

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

That would be funny, but realistically this just determines who makes money from licensing the design to everyone else. Assuming the patent isn't successfully challenged.

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[–] kevin2107@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

even less reason to buy American

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago

Exactly what I was thinking.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I'm not driving anything made after 2010 for the rest of my life, if I can manage it.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

We need to break the integration between hardware and software. If a machine can run software, then the software must be owner-auditable and owner-replaceable. If it's not, then whoever owns the software will own the hardware forever.

We also need safe, reliable, standard software for machines, and we need laws that enforce that machines be compatible with standard software before they can be sold.

It's a tall order, but I think the only other option is to continue down the path of hardware with corporate-dictated expiration dates and built-in surveillance.

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[–] content_educator_94@thelemmy.club 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Yeah that makes sense

Make this shit the way it works please

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago

Working on it. Part of the process is talking about it, refining ideas and building a coalition. It's going to take the combined efforts of software nerds, hardware nerds, econ nerds, and policy / regulatory nerds to get something like this to succeed, and it's going to take a sustained effort over years.

It also requires the destruction or at least a severe diminishment of the current global technofascist oligopolarchy so it doesn't get co-opted as a tool for the ruling class, so... yeah, it'll take a while. But I think it's worth doing.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

That's not going to happen unless someone important dies because of it.

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[–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 4 months ago

WIth the terrible safety record of cars, that may be more likely than you think.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Neither am I, but remember that that's only a workaround, not a solution. The only actual solution to this shit is political.

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

That's not really the only solution. It's just the least violent solution.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Even if something is violent, that doesn't make it stop being political.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

How is this patentable? It's the most obvious thing ever. I saw people talking about it half a decade ago.

[–] Sasquatch@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago

It's patentable because nobody else has yet🤷‍♂️

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago*

This kind of crazy shit is why my car is manual and has no connectivity except for an FM radio and an OBD port. Also, my other car is bikes.

Anyone remember Stelantis making cars that play you God damned ads when you stop? Yeah...

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

I'm in the middle of driving a 2026 rental car for two weeks and it has a huge screen for maps, lane keep, adaptive cruise and all that. I hate the screen but like the other new features. The car still runs when it doesn't have cell service. I wonder if I could just open the dash, sever a connection for the SIM card and it still all work or if I would have to pass some voltage through where the sim is supposed to be to keep the ECU from detecting a fault? I can find wiring diagrams online but they don't list anything that seems gps or cellular sounding.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It may be as simple as pulling a fuse.

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[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Doesn't look like it on the fuse box diagram or on the connector pin out. That was what I was hoping for

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 point 4 months ago

I would imagine the exact fuse would be hidden from true view, since they wouldn't want you to easily disable it. Google might help.

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago*

My old "Natural Rights Management Refrigerator" concept seems less and less nonsensical by the day.

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 4 months ago

I would normally agree with you. However, in this particular described use case, ford is saying they'll disable it if you fail to meet your payme plan (or, in other words, you hadn't actually finished buying the vehicle, so technically, it's not yours). That said. They need to fuck off with this. They can come physically repo like a normal lender.

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[–] modus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Time to start chaining the frame to a tree.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Jim Farley has to go.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

or just stop buying his shit plastic cars.

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[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 1 point 4 months ago

did you know he drives a Xiaomi? The president of Ford refuses to drive a Lincoln.

From a brand perspective, that shits a sackable offence.

Also, Ford doesn't make "cars" any more, just the mustang.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago

Oops! Our bad, you may continue driving down the 5 freeway! Thanks!

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Now is the time set ur self with alternative means of transportation; bus, trains and bikes. If you’re traveling use cabs/taxis.

[+] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 4 months ago

Plot twist: the tech has now been applied to bicycles.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Remember, some cars have essential systems looped through the 5g antenna. Check whether your car is one of them before clipping it with a pair of wire cutters, costing only $3.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What "essential" system could require a connection?

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

I know someone that removed the comms on their newer lexus, it knocked out the whole screen, radio and HVAC but only after a few weeks later. The touchscreen displayed something like it "could not authenticate to validate subscription" with no way to move past it. Had to take it to a dealership and get the telemetry reconnected and reprogrammed to get functioning again.

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

That's not essential. That's asshole design.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago

just cover the fin with aluminum foil sealing tape from any hardware store.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 12 points 4 months ago

People gonna start booting their own vehicles.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Man, Ford really doesn't want to sell any more cars, do they? I say let them have their "patent", and ensure that only Ford can do this kind of shit to their customers.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech [S] 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah, Ford was my last two cars and I won't again.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

We will own nothing

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

I hate this corny phrase. There is no such thing as ownership. It's just the state enforcing the arbitrary claims of the privileged with violence.

This slogan is just promoting the capitalism that's causing the problem.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago

Ownership is a very real thing that's different from property.

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago*

I hate this corny phrase. There is no such thing as violence. It's just the manipulation of objects that causes the molecules in an area to be disturbed in one particular way.

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[–] psycholocomotor@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago*

I mean I don't like the slogan either because it's mostly used by right libertarians, who are the least serious political alignment.

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[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago

Verbal diahorrea.

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[–] dimjim@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Can't wait for vehicle jailbreaking to become the new norm!

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

My next car will be a slate truck with no telemetry or something from 1995.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

Just slap some tape over the sensors along the bumpers, side mirrors, and behind the rearview mirror. Best of luck to them getting it back to the repo-depot in one piece.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

How the fuck can you payent like borrowing a car.

I'll patent borrowing umbrellas.