Just in time for them to take physical discs away! Edit: This is only in EU! For now.

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[–] 167 points 4 months ago (9 children)

It's almost like Sony doesn't want to have a PlayStation division anymore.

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  • [–] 51 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's odd timing given that microsoft seems to be giving up on Xbox

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The Xbox people have a better grasp of things. Consoles have little reason to exist... and the writing was on the wall when the PS3 stumbled out the gate. Really, in the PS2 era, all those Renderware / id Tech 3 / Unreal 1 games running the same on every platform was a big hint that there was no longer a benefit to having different platforms. Now there's just various badges over x86 PCs and smartphones - and the smartphones are starting to run Steam games.

    None of which is to say that Microsoft has conducted their grand scheme to computer-ify the console market with any degree of finesse, consistency, or follow-through. They're still idiots for setting successful studios on fire, and for refusing to shit or get off the pot vis-a-vis whether there's gonna be an Xbox The Next One.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    tbh, the big thing that made PS2 great for me when I was young is that I could just plug in the disc and play the game... well, at least most of the time. "Please insert a PS2 disc" was definitely a pain.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Back then, the PS2 was graphically-superior to the PC, at least in terms of cost per dollar. They designed console motherboards to integrate to the different components in ways to make them much faster at video games specifically.

    Nowadays, consoles are just glorified PCs, and they have no technological advantage. No technological advantage, no public appetite for console exclusives, no reason to exist.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I wouldn't be surprised.

    The whole tech industry is very overtly hell bent on pushing through an ai controlled dystopia.

    What good would the current model of gaming be?

    Have a bunch of people work very hard on a game and all that work "loses it's value" after a year or so. (In their eyes, shit's gotta sell).

    When you can have ai just dream/hallucinate up a game and stream that instead? (It's nowhere near that yet, but holy shit would they love it)

    Now you have an endless stream of stuff to sell that costs you zero manpower.

    Now the good peasants go work and can have half an hour of slop per day as a reward. And if they revolt, you just cut them off.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Where this breaks down is where the AI tech is in this decade/century. Between running out of RAM and the fact these agents barely get marginally difficult tasks (programming wise) done, they won't be outputting the slop AAA games are today. When you have people making games and most players are pissed at how bad they are and how expensive, we all know that AI built games will be way, way worse and stild as expensive.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    do they have any other lines of business that make them money??

    i know the camera business is supplies sensors to the majority of cellphones.... but the tv business is dead, the phone business is dead (or might asd well be, since it's asia only), the movie studio can't buy a hit, what does sony do if it doenst have paystation??>

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  • [–] 131 points 4 months ago

    Notably, the clause is conspicuously absent from terms governing Mexico, the United States, and several other regions, meaning players there are not currently subject to the policy. By contrast, the provision has been enforceable in the United Kingdom and various European countries for years, though it largely escaped public notice until the recent physical-format debate brought renewed scrutiny to Sony’s digital practices.

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    [–] 59 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    how is that even legal?

    we need better consumer protection for digital purchases.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Read the EULA sometime on a game you "own" on steam (or any platform for that matter).

    Almost without a doubt you're being granted a license to one copy of the game used the way they say it can be used. Most of the licenses are revokable for violating the conditions, many just outright say "hey we can take this away at any time for any reason and you can suck it" which is in a legal gray area I suppose.

    As far as how it's legal, you don't have to do business with any of these various entities and you're agreeing to their terms when you get their product. Plus, like you said, there is very little consumer protections in place.

    I agree we need more consumer protections on general and particularly for digital purchases. However, at least in the USA, the prevailing political winds are heavily in favor of companies and anti consumer. The Trump admin basically dismantled the bureau of consumer protection so ... That should tell you their priorities.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I know, no digital purchase actually has the product, just a license, unless you get a drm free product.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yeah I'm just saying like ... It's been anti consumerist from the very beginning. Particularly when games started to get made by studios, publishers got involved etc.

    I agree with the premise that it should not be like this.

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  • [+] -19 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    It’s literally because of consumer protection laws. GDPR requires the deletion of unused data, to ensure companies aren’t just holding onto your data indefinitely. This is simply the consequence of that, because Sony has apparently determined that three years is enough of a threshold to be considered “unused”.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Why lie about something like this?

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Because it isn’t a lie. Companies need to justify why they are retaining personal information after they stop using it. If they can’t justify it, they need to delete it.

    And you think Sony is going to put their neck on the line to try and argue that keeping old unused accounts open is a justifiable reason? They have literally zero incentive to do so, and a large profit incentive to delete accounts as soon as they can reasonably argue that they are too old. Because that will push people towards re-buying games they already purchased once before.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    It really reveals the nature of your purchase, doesn't it? Apparently you are just buying some entries in a database. Sadly any software we can't use offline can just be deleted like this. The pendulum swung too far towards the cloud, hopefully it comes back down to earth soon.

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  • yhea, that is 100% bullshit.

    GDPR isn't new, and no company was forced to do that.

    Might as well block the highway with my car saying that the law forces me to do that, because I cannot pass cars on the left lane, and I point to the "right" lane (opposite direction traffic) on the other side of the barrier.

    But good news, according to EU regulations you should just a toilet in your house, you are meant to spew shite into it.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    i bought portal2 when it came out on ps3.... it also let me set up a steam account through my ps3, because that was going to be the next big thing (this was before ps+ and multiplayer was still free)

    12 years later i got a PC, i downloaded steam.... and when i logged in, there was portal2 waiting for me to download it.

    sony can go fuck themselves

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Did you actually play Portal 2? And what did you think of it?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not the original commenter, but I really enjoyed it. A little bit longer than Portal with some real gems in the dialog. I would say if you enjoyed the first one, then play the second. I did not do any of the couch-co-op stuff, just the main story, so I have no idea if it’s decent.

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    I logged into steam after like 15 years and it still worked.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I haven't logged in since my PS3 died a couple years ago.

    Tried to log in to their website with my saved password. It said the password was wrong. I reset my password, entered the same one that I previously used, fully expecting it to give the frustrating answer "Previous passwords can't be re-used." But no, it let me use it! Weird.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    So some password systems prepend the hash algorithm to your password hash, that way you can tell if the user has migrated to the new algorithm or not when you change your hashing scheme.

    Odds are after the PSN breach they changed the algorithm and have since removed the code to check the old algorithm. So it just sees the hash didn’t match with the new algorithm even though the password is the same.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I had not used my ps3 in ages and he to redo the thermal paste on it. Once I got it back up I was able to access my downloaded games without connecting to the network. Maybe the ps4 or 5 is always online requirement?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I think it does affect PS3, because I booted mine up a couple months ago and it would not let me log in or play my downloaded games. I have to reactivate my account or some bullshit. Should have just left its network cable unplugged

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Similar for me, a few years I tried to log back on to claim a free game giveaway just in case I bought a PS4/5.

    Instead my account was deleted. This account doesn’t exist, or something like that. Can’t make a new account with that email because an account exists. Amazing. I had some stuff on there, I got the receipts.

    So I’m surprised at this thread because I thought that was already the policy. Maybe for accounts in countries with no consumer protection rules this was more or less already happening.

    I even logged into my Uplay because I knew it was linked to my PSN, to see if there’s a way to get any information about my PSN account. And yes, it showed the accounts were linked, and that I was unsuccessfully logging on with the correct email.

    I could have bought a used PS4 during Covid and maybe later a PS5 if I got into their stuff. Alas (for Sony) I tripled down on PC. Even got a Steam deck at an extortionate markup when I felt like it would be worth it for me, via a third country where it’s not officially available. Good stuff

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  • [+] 81 points 4 months ago (17 children)
  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah really I have no desire for new stuff. Like, why? Ive never once cared about graphics, even when I was around 8, I remember thinking people caring about graphics was stupid, because its the game that matters. Never have I bought a game because it was "shiny" or because I could see a baseball players eyelash. Who cares. I want a game, not a reality simulator (well, I do enjoy walking/ driving simulators once in a while, but not because of graphics!)

    Now flashy graphics are fine and all but not at the expense of the game.

    Iif I even tried completing every game from 1975 to 1999, I'd have enough play for more than a lifetime of gaming.

    New really isnt that great, for me. Some good indie games here and there, sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You like walking simulators? You should try DayZ

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I have, it was too complex for me

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It does have a bit of a learning curve but it's pretty rewarding if the gameplay clicks with you. Plus it's apparently great at modeling nature (compared to other games, that is). My lumberjack friend is constantly raving about how the trees types/placement and the forests in general are pretty realistic

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The problem is that most of the trillions of games suck and the ones that I had heard of often aren't on there. I also wish there was some way for multiplayer, I would pay more if they figured that out for some games.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    There isn't on the one I have. What brand do you recommend?

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    There are doing a speed run no one wants.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    My decade old Sony boycott looks more & more prescient every week.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I should've listened to the haters. I got way too leveraged into Sony's ecosystem and so now I suffer.

    The good is I still have enough PC games that I actually own (well, control) to last me for years and years and years.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My biggest mistake was buying a PS4 instead of jumping to PC a generation earlier than I eventually did.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Sony’s reminding me of their “599 US DOLLARS” era very heavily lately. Gaming has been in such a rough spot lately, it’s a shame.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    The fact that digital everything has been such a clusterfuck of unwashed ass pushed me back to rock climbing. Thanks/go fuck yourself tech conglomerates! I’ve definitely drawn similar associations, Rick

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I started playing ukulele because i did not feel like spending a years savings on a new gaming pc and nvidia fucked up gforce now. A recorder/flute is like 7 $. But its impossible to play silent.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    It had the curse of being worth more than movies and television, so it attracted every "entertainment" investor around, demanding short term profits like movies do. Now we have giant corporations thinking they can even remotely understand what a creative medium is, and then being shocked when we don't buy their latest "written by HR"/microtransaction bullshit. Meanwhile Indie is doing great! Surprise, creative people make good creative products.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    Seems illegal.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    ill be sure to tell my siblings to sign into my account every 3 years. gee thanks sony. whats the fucking point of this

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's updates like this that make me wish for a 'git diff' of those changes.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "How do we squander 3 decades of consumer goodwill in a week and a half?" Seriously wtf are you doing Sony

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Huh. That's actually a little disappointing. I have a couple of exclusives on there that I would prefer not to lose. But I also no longer own any modern PlayStation consoles, nor am I likely to in the future. So trying to decide if this is going to be the thing that makes me leave Sony for good, or if I should just make a little effort to login from time to time.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Reminds me, I have an old ps3 with a broken disc drive in need of being jailbroken. I should get on that.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Super straightforward. Best thing you can do. Load a usb drive with ISOs and you are set. Its the best homebrew/emulation console you could hope for. If your disc drive was working it would be the cheapest bluray player you could hope for

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    This is sad just because of the old names disappearing. A friend of mine killed themselves back in 2017, but we played a few games on ps4 together online back in the day. So I still scroll down to look at that old gamer tag every now and then. Its sad to think of that going away.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Is this an attempt to temporarily artifically inflate unique account activity metrics for self-congratulation and shareholder ego stroking?

    (This month X millions players logged in to play games, which is a significant increase from before!)

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    also found out switch deletes your cloud saves after a while if you stop paying

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I jumped after PS3. I logged in one day to find a message that the Smash Brothers clone I enjoyed was removed from my library and the servers shut down. Just, out of nowhere. Also, the low frame rate and FOV in some games started giving me motion sickness consistently. I do miss the simplicity of owning consoles and the excitement of new hardware releases.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Wow this seems like a gross overstep of boundaries . Fuckin, oh well i guess

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    As per another comment, I didn't know Gmail can delete an account after 2 years of inactivity. Proton mail is only 12 months on the free plan. With so many things being related to email I feel like I should have a more robust system.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Time to take your ps5 offline. Obligatory fuck Sony

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    their next decision is always the worst

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Note that technically the agreement says that Sony reserves the right to delete the account after 36 months, not that they'll actually do it. It might "just" be a stupid bit of legalese to cover Sony's ass in case they're required to delete older data.

    Of course the idea is worrying nonetheless.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    note my myself: whenever entering a contract with u/ChairmanMeow@programming.dev just tell him those terms that are not in his favor are just legalese for some edge case and I certainly will voluntarily not make any use of those terms that are totally in my favor and they should not worry.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    if they can delete someones account and potentially make them buy everything again (at least that is how i think the executives must view it) why wouldnt they?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Is it time for me to try to mod my ps4 so I can keep all my games? Does ps4 support soft modding yet? Cause I can't solder...

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    if youre not even connected to a line, what they gonna do? wait til youre connected then trash you?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    An important detail nobody is mentioning is that this is EU only due to privacy laws there. Sony still sucks, etc., but it's important to get the facts straight.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Under the GDPR, every organisation must:

    Define how long each category of personal data is stored Justify each retention period with a legal or operational basis Ensure data is deleted or anonymised once the purpose ends Document all retention rules in a clear and accessible format Apply retention rules consistently across all data systems Ensure third-party processors comply with the organisation’s retention instructions They can define their own reasonable terms. Sony chooses to delete that stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, say what you want about Microsoft but the worst I had to do with my Xbox Live was repatriate it from a Russian hacker.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    All in on live services.

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