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Women can self-loathe too. The mistake some men make is thinking they're all the same.
Women are not a unified organism controller by a singular hive mind? Isn't that the job of Queen Kerrigan?
Nothing more cringe than listening to either gender talk about the opposite gender as if they have solved the puzzle.
- relax
- don't get attached to the idea of the person, spend time and get attached to the legacy you've built together.
- be yourself, as quaint as that sounds. Nobody likes the stressed out "I gotta get her or Ill die" kind of vibe. Be a friend first.
- if she ghosts you then count your blessings, you probably dodged a bullet.
Think of it this way: remember that sleepover playdate that lasted two days too long? You both had enough before it was over?
Yes that thing, some people like to keep their eyes open for that kinda stuff before stepping into a relationship. And it's a good practice. Other people have that "yes let's go!!!" kinda thing and that clashes sometimes.
Anyway that's what I've learned so far.
It's funny, I have had that exact experience with guys when I was young. The second I started returning the interest, they would drop me like I was a venomous snake and go flirt with someone else.
Until I met my boyfriend I just thought men didn't want women to like them back. Color me confused when the pre historic version of incel/manosphere culture began bitching about women playing hard to get back in the late 2000s/early 2010s on various forums.
Was over here like: y'all are the ones who run for the hills whenever a girl shows you she likes you, though. 🤷♀️
Story of my LIFE until I met my current partner
hehe, yeah. Honestly, good for us. I for one, am so relieved that I'm off the market. It's so draining, dude xD
I have moments where I miss the flirting and the attention, but I don't miss the loneliness...greener grass and all that.
I'm the same as you, but in reverse: I sometimes miss being alone, but I don't miss the flirting and the attention.
And honestly, the "missing the loneliness" has kinda been fixed now that we no longer live in small apartments, but have a house with rooms where we can be ourselves when we need it. We are that weird kind of couple who love being alone together. He does his thing, I do mine and occassionally one comes over to give the other a hug and a smooch. And if one or the other needs extra attention, we put down whatever we are working on to give it to them. For example, he's gotten hooked on collecting fossils recently and sometimes he bursts with the need to do lectures about pre-historic aquatic life and their anatomy and he comes over and dumps one fossil in my hands after the other while he talks. It's the same when I go off on one of my things. Like I can talk at length about movies, foreign cultures and their habits and languages. And then we have a mutual interest in birds. Like I saw a raven fly over our house the other day and immediately called him and we babbled for several minutes about my observations to make sure it was a raven and not a crow. If either of us are out and see a weird bird, we snap a pic if possible and send it to the other and discuss what bird it is if it isn't immediately apparent.
How the frick would I find a guy like that ever again? Do they even make those anymore? I need someone to match my level of mundane weird.
Ps: this is his most recent bird identification pic in our privat chat. He correctly identified it as a curlew. I double checked my bird lexicon. The rest of our chat is full of pictures of fossils xD

Oh man I love birds! You two sound so solid and really cool, just so you know!!
All of that sounds just lovely. And I totally get missing being alone/independent and how with the right partner and living conditions you can still get that :)
As for the attention on my part, my partner doesn't mind it when I flirt with friends because they know we are monogamous so it's all just for fun, but it does help me get the attention I so desperately need :P
Thank you xD I mean, I'm a fan of us too, but I'm also super biased lol.
I think its awesome that you guys have that agreement. There are also many different ways of flirting and the innocent kind, is no harm no foul. And as long as people figure out what works for them and everyone is happy, then who can be mad? I think I have pretty much seen it all at this point, considering that I have always moved in unconventional social circles. I'm a pretty basic bitch, but somehow have always found myself around people who are gay or trans or in polyamorous relationships or are swingers or into extreme body modification and so on (methinks it is undiagnosed ADHD or something like that. Fucking always end up with the outcasts in society). I can tell the difference between people who are in healthy dynamics and those who aren't. Flirting with friends while everyone involved understand the boundaries, is so chill.
I feel like we are basically the same hahaha. I'm a lil freak but as far as monogamy goes im very basic but im also surrounded by people in poly/open relationships. I get asked frequently whether my partner and I are open hahaha, it's a really good compliment tho!
You may be onto something with the ADHD thing. I find neurodivergent folks tend to find each other, and I've been diagnosed ASD (previously Aspergers) since I was 6 years old, but I've watched many friends be diagnosed as we get older lol, so there's some merit to that thought.
Lol, it is funny how us weirdos always seem to find one another. Then you know what it's like xD I like having my views on the world challenged. I like knowing people who are different and live different lives from myself. If I had the wanderlust, I think I would have been someone who travels the world to make friends in every corner, but alas, I fucking hate travelling, dude. Planes and airports can go fuck themselves. I have agreed with myself that the only time I'm gonna travel for the rest of my life is when I go to see my best friend who lives thousands of km away. Ain't no way I'm putting myself through all that shit for anyone else.
HA! You being ASD makes sense. I always vibe with people on the spectrum. Always. I often find them to have the right amount of nerd in them to carry interesting conversations and they tend to be a calming antidote to my chaos. I become an irl cartoon character when I speak with people. Spectrum people are nice because they rarely react to my nonsense and if they do, they rarely judge. And, I mean, same with them. They may be weird to some people, but to me I'm like: Ah, my kind of person. One of the first friends I made in my teens was ASD as well (not diagnosed at the time) and she thought I was gay and hitting on her for weeks because I kept pestering her to be friends.
That is so funny that your friends, one by one have gotten diagnosed! Seriously, I always thought I was normal, right? That I was just really good at relating to people who were different because I am a bit offputting myself, I think? So I have been around people with every diagnosis under the sun since my teens and it was only a few years ago that my boyfriend brought up to me that he was 99% sure I had undiagnosed ADHD and that I should stop being so hard on myself all the time. Was like "the fuck?" and then a lot of things made sense all of a sudden. Because ADHD is the only diagnosis I struggled to understand. When people told me about their issues and symptoms I was always like: But that's just what it's like to live, innit? Maybe I'm too stupid to understand ADHD?" and I read about it and listened some more to friends and colleagues who have it and it still just didn't click for me because that's how I feel all the time, but I'm normal, so I must just not get it. Not even once did I put two and two together, dude. Not once. Not until my man spelled it out for me at age 34. :'D I am dense as a brick sometimes.
That sounds so similar to so many stories I've heard! The ADHD symptoms are so similar to symptoms neurotypical people also experience, it just impacts our (people with ADHD) lives so much more, so it's no surprise it goes undiagnosed for so long. It's really easy to assume you're normal especially when you get good grades in elementary school as is the case most of the time with ADHD it seems.
And women just in general have less research to help back up the diagnosis!
So true! I have always managed to skate by in life because I'm relatively unremarkable most of the time. I have described my life strategy as being on on a boat full of holes and I constantly run around applying flex tape and scooping water out in buckets to keep it afloat. From afar my boat looks like every other boat in the water, but up close it is constant maintenance to appear somewhat normal. It's gotten a bit easier to accept the mess after I realized that maybe it's not entirely my own fault that I struggle with certain things.
And for real, women do get diagnosed far less than men, but it's getting so much better nowadays. I don't think I'll ever be officially diagnosed as I manage pretty okay all things considered. I'm just glad other people who struggle more than me, get the chance to get help.
Also, sorry for the late reply. I had surgery today so I have been a bit out of it. Everything went well, though. I hope you have a lovely day, my friend! ❤️
Is this why I always got ghosted? I was beginning to think they were just cruelly toying with me...
I mean, I would like first to make a point of order - "ghosting" is when someone who you already have an established relationship with stops responding to all messages. It doesn't mean "someone you were interested in but had no significant relationship with simply lost interest". For example, if you match with someone on a dating app, and then you exchange a few messages but they stop responding, they are not "ghosting" you - they have simply lost interest.
Anyway, if you have people on dating apps consistently losing interest with you, then it usually means that your problem is.... nothing. The vast majority of OLD interactions go no where. This is fine. Most people arent a good match for each other. They might have found someone who is a better match for them, or they may have simply become exhausted with dealing with OLD.
Its like if you thought someone at a party was cute, and you went and had a convo with them, and then they went to get a drink and got drawn into another convo, and then you never saw them again. They didn't "ghost" you. They aren't being mean to you. They are just living their life, and you are not a major player in it, and that's fine.
However, if you don't like how conversations just peter off sometimes, you can significantly reduce this by seeking explicit rejections instead. Be clear about what you are looking for, and then pitch meeting up in person.
The chase or being chased is sometimes what people like more than the end result.
Yeah, people act like that's such a cringe thing to say. But it's a simple observation. It would be wrong to generalize it. It certainly doesn't describe everybody. But it definitely seems to be mainstream among the normies, at least.
I don't see why people blame the ones who point that out. It's kinda like shooting the messenger, honestly. Sure, the behavior is cringe. So why is it considered more cringe to critique it? It's like we're supposed to just pretend there isn't a pattern, pretend we don't see it, and scorn anyone who does?
There are a lot of counterproductive social taboos these days. They're different from the taboos of a half century ago, but they're still pretty nonsensical. Some things we just aren't supposed to point out and critique, and whoever acknowledges them first gets the blame that should be on the patterns they're pointing out.
How are we supposed to have any constructive social discourse when people are so afraid to speak up? And admiration goes to the ones who shun and condemn and demean those who even mention the destructive patterns.
It's like a new kind of self-righteousness has emerged, this time separate from religion...
Welcome to my ex-gf. Also some people know how to say what you want to hear while avoiding the actions to make it real. This can be very destructive to someone's peace.
This is why you date, wheat from chaff and all that. The day you find someone perfect is the day you can stop looking
or you just stop looking because you are sick of all the miserable bullshit and you just want to enjoy your life without other people's miserable bullshit weirdo nonsense in it.
and you're shocked that... you feel really good most days instead of feeling like shit most days... almost as of how other people treat you has a huge impact on your mental health and cutting out people who treat you poorly makes you feel a lot better about life.
I mean yea that's also an option. Being happy alone should always come before being happy with someone else, if at all.
this also works for sandwiches. enjoy every sandwich.
I do my man, every damn one
Just don't make the mistake of fucking your sandwiches.
What if it's an Amazing Fucking sandwich
This could be a good strategy to find someone too. People are more attractive when they feel good about themselves.
Typically for a man at least, if you aren't active looking, you're never going to find anyone. Feeling good about yourself isn't going to attract people... being attractive and approaching them is really what you have to do.
Typically yea but sometimes you get lucky and can have a woman ask you out. Usually only happens when they notice other women are interested in you and really don't wanna miss their shot. In my experience, when you're happy, kind and not looking, they'll find you, and fast
Cool my experience has been the oppsite. The more miserable I was the more they were into me, the happier I was, the more they found me unattractive.
I did awesome with women when I was depressed, drinking a lot, and broke as shit. I had multiple women chasing me all the time and confessing their love for me.
Now that I am in much better place, I'm basically invisible except to these really high-strung business women I want nothing to do with because their entire life is complaining about how broke they are even though they are wealthy, who basically cry themselves into a bottle of wine every night because they can't find a billionaire to date them and think anyone making less than 300K a year is living in poverty.
Somewhat true but if you're on the bigger side you can get away without being toned. Surprisingly its usually the small skinny guys that struggle even if they have a 6 pack. Big flabby arms are still more attractive that 5% body fat twig arms. The biggest thing getting fit does it make regular clothing look better. Being fit can significantly elevate something as simple as a t-shirt if it fits nicely.
I was by far the most fit guy at the bbq i went to last weekend and i was also one of the only single ones and tend to be single more than the others. The host a good friend of mine actually looked great in just a button up and his cowboy boots cause he actually put some thought into his outfit.
Or if you’re poly you can never stop looking a just enjoy dating and having fun.
I do not recommend poly for most people. It’s a lot of work, and it’s not for everyone.
Not a rare thing, really. It's a human issue, regardless of age or gender.
People can definitely get attracted to the idea of a person that lives in their heads. They fall for a fantasy, often nurturing it with daydream. That's what a 'crush' is.
Reality hits when you see them as a real person with nuanced emotions, deep personal history, and a rich inner world. The reality of a person clashes with the fantasy of them.
Often that's a good thing. People get relationship maturity that way. They grow their skills of empathy, patience, compassion. The fantasy fades for a beautiful tapestry. Even if your relationship ends, you can respect each other.
Sometimes it's an inconvenient truth. The reality of a person isn't what you want, and the fantasy of them withers in the face of it. You can even bitterly resent them for falling short of your daydreams, robbing you of their comfort.
As strange as it sounds, it is a blessing for it to happen so quickly. For many, it's something they awake to in middle age. Feeling encroaching mortality, they realise that they settled in a life that was convenient, with a partner that was attainable, rather than either being truly satisfying.
So they sabotage it, flee it, resent it, or all the above. We call it the 'mid-life crisis'.
This sucks and feels awful, but of the many ways this could've gone? This was actually one of the better ones.
Reality hits when you see them as a real person with nuanced emotions, deep personal history, and a rich inner world. The reality of a person clashes with the fantasy of them.
What reality are you living in? The one I live in my fantasy of them is this person, but the reality of them is have are shallow, petty, person with the inner complexity of a Disney plot, who thinks nuanced emotion makes you gay and the only personal history they want to know are how many 0s are in your bank account while they tell you their sob story about how daddy didn't love them enough and their life should be 'so much more'.
That one.
In a fantasy, your crush is perfect. In reality, they're messy, traumatised, vulnerable, reactive etc. That's nuance. That's history. We're so immersed in our own fundamental ideas from upbringing that it's easy to assume we're the default, but not a single one of us are.
Sometimes that nuance is beautiful. Sometimes you're compatible.
Usually, it's a let-down. Because nobody can be a better match for you than the fantasy in your own head, and we need to learn to stop using daydreams as a yardstick.
Growth comes from accepting people are nuanced and determining what is compatible for you, instead o chasing the daydream (or pressuring a person to change into one).
they think nuanced emotion makes you gay
..so the baggage there is that they're grown up in an environment that measured their worth as a person by their stoicism, particularly gender perscriptivism. They parrot 'emotions are gay' to conform to the standards imposed on them, even though it comes packaged with self-neglect and deep emotional trauma. They learned it young enough, imposed harshly enough, that they believe this is an immutable fact about the world.
See? Nuance.
No. I'm a man dating woman who constantly gets told I'm a gay homo for having emotions or having any nuance or subtley in my opinions and judgements.
like a lot of the comments on lemmy that tell me i'm a fascist because i think there is any nuance to political issues.
Impossible challenge: write a greentext without making it about a 'girl'
To be miserable.
And they are very very good at making themselves miserable, and going on a rant about how they this is your fault and all men are awful.
Your job in life is to avoid folks who choose to be miserable. good luck
Who confiscated his neck? Or are they just a human walrus.

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