Try to live your life without worrying about votes.
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I will gladly downvote anyone. People be saying some dumb shit.
Is it dumb or is it that you think it's dumb. To be or not to be. You see I disagree with a lot of people but I see where they are coming from so I don't think they are literally idiotic. I'm more apprehensive about living in a system where I only ever see what is agreement with whatever I think aka an echo chamber.
I didn't say I downvote based on disagreeing. I said I downvote based on if it's dumb. There are plenty of people that I disagree with that have salient points. The morons are the ones that get the downvote.
I will absolutely downvote some people I disagree with if I think they are making a bad faith argument or I think their view is bad. If the masses decide my opinion is wrong then it will work out in the end. If not, then it must have been a bad comment.
You are, I am, we are the masses. I don't mind disagreeing with people. I would be more bothered to be somewhere where everyone agrees and we have a culture of chasing off anyone who doesn't aka an echo chamber. I'll downvote people being mean because we can disagree and have civil discussion. Also someone blatantly trolling.
People are waaaay to judgy and rarely think outside of their bubble, country, 'layer' or can relate that there are differences beyond their knowledge. That's why I only downvote when I am mostly sure to understand all this context, not just because I don't like or agree with a statement 🤷
I also often get a lot of downvotes due to this ironically since I try to understand and ask questions (non hostile!) because I don't understand.
It seems you and I are birds of a feather. Same experience here. Any divergence from the accepted norm, even if it's just inquiry is typically met with downvotes. That is most places trend towards an echo chamber, not just here but anywhere online.
Nah it's dumb
Votes don't matter. Upvotes can't pay your rent or buy food. Downvotes won't put you in prison.
Vote however you want, that's why it's here.
It does depend how we are defining what matters. By your definition very few things matter. As a location for discourse it matters in how people related to said discourse in that votes can help push or diminish narratives and craft a location that is or is not an echo chamber. We're all aware what people see shapes their views and their views shape their actions and their actions shape the world. So I'm not sure I agree that the culture of a platform, the content that is pushed doesn't matter.
It depends on how an individual consumes Lemmy. I don't see votes and my client neither buries nor highlights comments based on votes. I only browse by new or active.
This means that votes have little to no impact to what I consume or interact with.
As I've said elsewhere. I don't care if you downvote, I've seen what you upvote.
You're supposed to downvote. If something is off topic especially, but also if something is toxic or against the rules.
If there was a community where the joke was "you can only reply PANTS" and then someone started to comment about the downfall of capitalism, you downvote that shit into oblivion even if you agree with it out of context.
Off topic tends to be used very subjectively, particularly if someone just dislikes the comment. Particularly when someone takes one line from a comment that's on topic to say the comment is off topic. Not always of course but it's rare so far as I've seen.
Now as for breaking rules or just being verbally violent, most definitely.
Commenting "as a man" in a women's only community will get you downvoted even if it's on topic.
I don't think off topic is very subjective that often, and if you're not sure just don't vote. I gave an example of off topic behavior and, you know, it was too help you out. So you wouldn't feel so bad about down voting. And then you tried to bicker with me about the details.
Yeah like the example you gave is a good example of someone being off topic. It's just that I don't see that circumstance very often personally. More so i have personally seen it used in a disagreement type way, like a single sentence will be taken out of a comment and used to say the whole comment is off topic when I personally didn't feel they were as egregiously off topic like in the example you gave. So in that sense it seems subjective.. that person felt the other was off topic, I as a third party subjectivity didn't agree
Yes its stupid because nobody uses them correctly. Its turned into a disagree button instead of "this doesnt belong here or add to the conversation" button.
I just down vote when I see low quality content or irrelevant or poorly supported arguments. I have upvoted takes I disagree with and then commented about why I disagree. It's not supposed to be a disagree button, it's supposed to be a "move this down in the feed" button.
People have the right to find my shitty opinion shitty
I'm not arguing that one shouldn't have the ability to downvote. More so asking if anyone else is generally apprehensive to downvote and more specifically enjoys opposing opinions. I find in most circumstances not just of Lemmy that people are more so looking for agreement aka an echo chamber without any dissent aka an echo chamber.
Because this medium isn’t workable for argumentative conversations.
That begs the question, which medium is.
Nope!
I don't even care about the accidental ones that happen from scrolling while tired.
Worst that happens is the hot feed gets negligibly shifted until the next person comes along.
I think there's more users like you than me. I appreciate the candid answer.
I'm not sure if ur profile picture is real, but in case it is: You, sir have a magnificent beard!
Yeah, I try to give everyone uppies unless they're being a bigger jerk than me. The accidental downvotes, they happen but like I usually catch them
Don't up/downvote for agree or dislike. People are allowed to have differing opinions. I downvote for hate, or bad faith. Very little else.
I downvote comments that clearly break the rules of the community they’re posted in.
I'm indifferent, really. You can make the most benign post/comment possible and someone will downvote you for it, so you'll get used to it. Plus, too many people here think downvotes are for disagreeing.
And just to prove my point, I downvoted your question for absolutely no reason. Idc how you vote in return, if at all.
Have a nice day ❤️
I upvoted you actually. Like anywhere online I've seen very negative people who get joy from others feeling bad or thinking they have made them feel bad. I always want to have a candid discussion with someone like that because it's very curious to me.
So far the people I've been able to accomplish that with are very discontent in their life or something specific in their human experience but it's a very small sample size. Most keep with shallow discussion more so like they're playing a character.
Being downvoted yourself is not reason to start downvoting.
Now when people post links to videos without a text synopsis, that's a reason to downvote.
why the hell do you care about any of this?
maybe the better strategy is to not care about what internet strangers think about you?
Views, engagement and votes determine what people see and what they don't as well as how they feel about it. What people see shapes their views. Their views shape their behavior. Their behavior shapes the world. It's worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
according to who? you?
the vast majority of people disagree with you, and their votes count just as much as yours. they prefer the echo chamber.
It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
It's worthwhile for men to respect when women want to gather on our own and talk about things without men's voices.
I'm not sure that constitutes an echo chamber necessarily. Women alone obviously have very diverse opinions on topics, same for men and non-binary people. Now if there's a specific narrative and everyone agrees and any disagreement or questioning is seen as an attack then that's probably an echo chamber.
Oh you absolutely thought it did when you DMed me to argue about making sure the rules are being applied equally in womensstuff.
More so to apologize but yeah rules should be applied equally since there was another guy in those same threads although i don't agree with the point they were making.
I'd be really curious to know if you DM other community members with the same concern after you've been reprimanded for breaking the rules.
I can send you my login credentials if you want.
Oh I have to do the work for you, can't just be honest?
I do think it is weird how concerned you are about the rules being applied equally in a community that you aren't even welcome in to begin with. It's not your concern.
If a community wants to use downvotes as a way of communicating displeasure or rule breaking, that's their prerogative.
I was just offering. I'm all about rule following everywhere, not just in a particular community and breaking the rules should definitely be downvoted. Once again I'm apologizing for the human error on that comment.
You’re more than welcome to become a mod of your own community where you can be sure the rules are applied as you prefer.
Yeah but that aside I think most people enjoy or prefer fairness. Like what's the point of rules if they aren't fair, then they're more like suggestions than rules.
What would you have done if you got one of us in womensstuff to admit the rules weren’t applied fairly?
There's not really anything to do. If I was a member of the sub I would suggest changing that and likely leave if that wasn't going to happen. Since I'm not a member there's really not much of anything to do beyond answering questions like the one you gave me.
Then why DM me to ask in the first place?
I'm sincerely asking. I want you to really think about it.
If there was nothing for you to do about it, since you are not a member, why are you so concerned with womensstuff applying the rules of our community fairly?
Well it's more so a general concern but for that particular instance there was someone else in breach of the same rule I was. I messaged to apologize and just say hey, hope y'all got that other guy too kinda. Didn't seem harmful to me but if you took offense then I apologize for that as well.
I think you need to learn a bit more about how the fediverse works before you start stepping in to make sure moderators are doing their jobs correctly.
You can find the moderators for the community listed in their sidebar. It's also possible to look at other user's modlogs depending on the instance you're using. You would have been able to see that the other user got their comment removed and were also banned from the community.
Instead, you sought out individuals from the community to tattle on them. That is almost always going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
Honestly I wasn't thinking that deep about it. Was far more casual of a statement than this makes it out to seem. My main intention was to apologize which is what I wrote first. It's not like I wrote an opus on the injustices of a particular community or anything. It was like a five word quip. So I apologize again it came off like that to you.
The women’s communities on Lemmy get brigaded by men who are incensed at there being a space they’re not welcome in a lot. Daily.
When you reach out via a DM to tattle and, from my point of view, whine about others getting better treatment than you, it feels like yet another man trying to push boundaries.
We’re allowed to maintain our community the way we want and we’re allowed to reject criticism.
I appreciate that you weren’t trying to break the rules.
Honestly I ended up there by accident because I only browse all and new and it was my bad for not checking the sub rules first. Likewise, I feel like we've gotten some resolution between you and I and I wish you the best (◍•ᴗ•◍).
I downvote comments if they are factually wrong, if they are mean or derogatory or if they are needlessly critical of another commenter. I personally don't care if I get downvoted or even upvoted, I'm just here to speak my mind, hear others opinions, rant or vent or sometimes engage in a pleasant text conversation with a stranger.
I feel the same. The only times I (intentionally) down vote are for things like spam or people throwing insults around with zero substance. It's basically a button for increasing/decreasing visibility, and you get much more interesting discussions when it involves views you disagree with.
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