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[–] 58 points 4 months ago (22 children)

Try to live your life without worrying about votes.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    Its more so a curiosity. I've noticed others behaviors and was wondering who lives for the downvote vs who is rarely smashing the down vote. This platform kinda fundamentally runs on down and upvotes.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    This platform does not run on upvotes and downvotes, that’s Reddit. There is no algorithm here that is influenced by votes. In fact, there are some instances that don’t show or allow downvotes at all.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    The algorithm is between your left and right ear. If you believe votes have no influence on users behavior then I have some unfortunate news for you.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    You specifically said “this platform”. This platform does not run on upvotes and downvotes.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    My dude, we are part of this platform and some of us seem to care. So I'd say yes, it runs on those as well, but way less than others.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I’m not a dude.

    I was speaking specifically about the down and upvote systems as it relates to the fediverse.

    There are whole instances that don’t show votes at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    Everyone is dude, dude. I don't care how they identify or what they are equipped with. Dude is neutral as heck.

    I know what you were speaking of, and I know those instances, at least some. Doesn't change that we are not in a vacuum.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    I’m not particularly fond of being called dude as a woman, but you just clearly stated you don’t care.

    I was simply clarifying what I was talking about specifically in my earlier comment. OP is throwing a fit for being downvoted and banned from the womensstuff community with this post.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Oh, and by the way, you are clearly caring about downvotes as you made sure to downvote my comments.

    It's true. I don't really care about you. I don't know you and I will have forgotten what you wrote in five seconds. It doesn't matter. I'm not here to hurt or insult you. I just don't care enough.

    Be happy, feel free, block me if you want. It doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Did I ever state that I personally don't use downvotes?

    If you didn't care, you wouldn't come back and comment multiple times at me. Must've ruffled your feathers quite a bit by asking for the basic respect of not misgendering me.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not misgendering you, as I told you, dude is neutral for me. You seem to not respect this decision of mine.

    And I don't have any feathers to ruffle. Sorry for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Goodbye, easily to offend person 💖

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    I’m not a dude.

    I’m not particularly fond of being called dude as a woman, but you just clearly stated you don’t care.

    You got THIS upset about two neutral statements from me. You clearly have many feathers that can be ruffled.

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  • [+] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Lol you're the one to say you don't have feathers to ruffle and you aren't bothered.

    Why is it such a big deal that I said I don't like being called a dude as a woman?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Friend, I didn't call you a dude after you stated that. I stated before that it is neutral to me. You stated you didn't want to be addressed like that. I didn't do it anymore.

    Really, what's your problem?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Your hostility at me after I simply stated I'm not a dude.

    It's actually unsettling how upset you got at me because I said I'm a woman.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I will gladly downvote anyone. People be saying some dumb shit.

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  • [+] [S] -11 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Is it dumb or is it that you think it's dumb. To be or not to be. You see I disagree with a lot of people but I see where they are coming from so I don't think they are literally idiotic. I'm more apprehensive about living in a system where I only ever see what is agreement with whatever I think aka an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I didn't say I downvote based on disagreeing. I said I downvote based on if it's dumb. There are plenty of people that I disagree with that have salient points. The morons are the ones that get the downvote.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I will absolutely downvote some people I disagree with if I think they are making a bad faith argument or I think their view is bad. If the masses decide my opinion is wrong then it will work out in the end. If not, then it must have been a bad comment.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 4 months ago

    You are, I am, we are the masses. I don't mind disagreeing with people. I would be more bothered to be somewhere where everyone agrees and we have a culture of chasing off anyone who doesn't aka an echo chamber. I'll downvote people being mean because we can disagree and have civil discussion. Also someone blatantly trolling.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    People are waaaay to judgy and rarely think outside of their bubble, country, 'layer' or can relate that there are differences beyond their knowledge. That's why I only downvote when I am mostly sure to understand all this context, not just because I don't like or agree with a statement 🤷

    I also often get a lot of downvotes due to this ironically since I try to understand and ask questions (non hostile!) because I don't understand.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It seems you and I are birds of a feather. Same experience here. Any divergence from the accepted norm, even if it's just inquiry is typically met with downvotes. That is most places trend towards an echo chamber, not just here but anywhere online.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Votes don't matter. Upvotes can't pay your rent or buy food. Downvotes won't put you in prison.

    Vote however you want, that's why it's here.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It does depend how we are defining what matters. By your definition very few things matter. As a location for discourse it matters in how people related to said discourse in that votes can help push or diminish narratives and craft a location that is or is not an echo chamber. We're all aware what people see shapes their views and their views shape their actions and their actions shape the world. So I'm not sure I agree that the culture of a platform, the content that is pushed doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    It depends on how an individual consumes Lemmy. I don't see votes and my client neither buries nor highlights comments based on votes. I only browse by new or active.

    This means that votes have little to no impact to what I consume or interact with.

    As I've said elsewhere. I don't care if you downvote, I've seen what you upvote.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You're supposed to downvote. If something is off topic especially, but also if something is toxic or against the rules.

    If there was a community where the joke was "you can only reply PANTS" and then someone started to comment about the downfall of capitalism, you downvote that shit into oblivion even if you agree with it out of context.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Off topic tends to be used very subjectively, particularly if someone just dislikes the comment. Particularly when someone takes one line from a comment that's on topic to say the comment is off topic. Not always of course but it's rare so far as I've seen.

    Now as for breaking rules or just being verbally violent, most definitely.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think off topic is very subjective that often, and if you're not sure just don't vote. I gave an example of off topic behavior and, you know, it was too help you out. So you wouldn't feel so bad about down voting. And then you tried to bicker with me about the details.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Yeah like the example you gave is a good example of someone being off topic. It's just that I don't see that circumstance very often personally. More so i have personally seen it used in a disagreement type way, like a single sentence will be taken out of a comment and used to say the whole comment is off topic when I personally didn't feel they were as egregiously off topic like in the example you gave. So in that sense it seems subjective.. that person felt the other was off topic, I as a third party subjectivity didn't agree

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Yes its stupid because nobody uses them correctly. Its turned into a disagree button instead of "this doesnt belong here or add to the conversation" button.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I just down vote when I see low quality content or irrelevant or poorly supported arguments. I have upvoted takes I disagree with and then commented about why I disagree. It's not supposed to be a disagree button, it's supposed to be a "move this down in the feed" button.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    People have the right to find my shitty opinion shitty

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not arguing that one shouldn't have the ability to downvote. More so asking if anyone else is generally apprehensive to downvote and more specifically enjoys opposing opinions. I find in most circumstances not just of Lemmy that people are more so looking for agreement aka an echo chamber without any dissent aka an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Because this medium isn’t workable for argumentative conversations.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    That begs the question, which medium is.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Nope!

    I don't even care about the accidental ones that happen from scrolling while tired.

    Worst that happens is the hot feed gets negligibly shifted until the next person comes along.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Don't up/downvote for agree or dislike. People are allowed to have differing opinions. I downvote for hate, or bad faith. Very little else.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I downvote comments that clearly break the rules of the community they’re posted in.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Never accept criticism from someone you wouldn't take advice from.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm indifferent, really. You can make the most benign post/comment possible and someone will downvote you for it, so you'll get used to it. Plus, too many people here think downvotes are for disagreeing.

    And just to prove my point, I downvoted your question for absolutely no reason. Idc how you vote in return, if at all.

    Have a nice day ❤️

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago

    I upvoted you actually. Like anywhere online I've seen very negative people who get joy from others feeling bad or thinking they have made them feel bad. I always want to have a candid discussion with someone like that because it's very curious to me.

    So far the people I've been able to accomplish that with are very discontent in their life or something specific in their human experience but it's a very small sample size. Most keep with shallow discussion more so like they're playing a character.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Being downvoted yourself is not reason to start downvoting.

    Now when people post links to videos without a text synopsis, that's a reason to downvote.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    why the hell do you care about any of this?

    maybe the better strategy is to not care about what internet strangers think about you?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Views, engagement and votes determine what people see and what they don't as well as how they feel about it. What people see shapes their views. Their views shape their behavior. Their behavior shapes the world. It's worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.

    It's worthwhile for men to respect when women want to gather on our own and talk about things without men's voices.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    I'm not sure that constitutes an echo chamber necessarily. Women alone obviously have very diverse opinions on topics, same for men and non-binary people. Now if there's a specific narrative and everyone agrees and any disagreement or questioning is seen as an attack then that's probably an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Oh you absolutely thought it did when you DMed me to argue about making sure the rules are being applied equally in womensstuff.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (15 children)

    More so to apologize but yeah rules should be applied equally since there was another guy in those same threads although i don't agree with the point they were making.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I'd be really curious to know if you DM other community members with the same concern after you've been reprimanded for breaking the rules.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (13 children)

    I can send you my login credentials if you want.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Oh I have to do the work for you, can't just be honest?

    I do think it is weird how concerned you are about the rules being applied equally in a community that you aren't even welcome in to begin with. It's not your concern.

    If a community wants to use downvotes as a way of communicating displeasure or rule breaking, that's their prerogative.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

    I was just offering. I'm all about rule following everywhere, not just in a particular community and breaking the rules should definitely be downvoted. Once again I'm apologizing for the human error on that comment.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    You’re more than welcome to become a mod of your own community where you can be sure the rules are applied as you prefer.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah but that aside I think most people enjoy or prefer fairness. Like what's the point of rules if they aren't fair, then they're more like suggestions than rules.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    What would you have done if you got one of us in womensstuff to admit the rules weren’t applied fairly?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    There's not really anything to do. If I was a member of the sub I would suggest changing that and likely leave if that wasn't going to happen. Since I'm not a member there's really not much of anything to do beyond answering questions like the one you gave me.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Then why DM me to ask in the first place?

    I'm sincerely asking. I want you to really think about it.

    If there was nothing for you to do about it, since you are not a member, why are you so concerned with womensstuff applying the rules of our community fairly?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Well it's more so a general concern but for that particular instance there was someone else in breach of the same rule I was. I messaged to apologize and just say hey, hope y'all got that other guy too kinda. Didn't seem harmful to me but if you took offense then I apologize for that as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I think you need to learn a bit more about how the fediverse works before you start stepping in to make sure moderators are doing their jobs correctly.

    You can find the moderators for the community listed in their sidebar. It's also possible to look at other user's modlogs depending on the instance you're using. You would have been able to see that the other user got their comment removed and were also banned from the community.

    Instead, you sought out individuals from the community to tattle on them. That is almost always going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly I wasn't thinking that deep about it. Was far more casual of a statement than this makes it out to seem. My main intention was to apologize which is what I wrote first. It's not like I wrote an opus on the injustices of a particular community or anything. It was like a five word quip. So I apologize again it came off like that to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    The women’s communities on Lemmy get brigaded by men who are incensed at there being a space they’re not welcome in a lot. Daily.

    When you reach out via a DM to tattle and, from my point of view, whine about others getting better treatment than you, it feels like yet another man trying to push boundaries.

    We’re allowed to maintain our community the way we want and we’re allowed to reject criticism.

    I appreciate that you weren’t trying to break the rules.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Honestly I ended up there by accident because I only browse all and new and it was my bad for not checking the sub rules first. Likewise, I feel like we've gotten some resolution between you and I and I wish you the best (⁠◍⁠•⁠ᴗ⁠•⁠◍⁠).

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I downvote comments if they are factually wrong, if they are mean or derogatory or if they are needlessly critical of another commenter. I personally don't care if I get downvoted or even upvoted, I'm just here to speak my mind, hear others opinions, rant or vent or sometimes engage in a pleasant text conversation with a stranger.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I feel the same. The only times I (intentionally) down vote are for things like spam or people throwing insults around with zero substance. It's basically a button for increasing/decreasing visibility, and you get much more interesting discussions when it involves views you disagree with.

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