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This is a good time to remind people that if you install a custom ROM from https://xdaforums.com/ (that's where most instructions are at any rate), you can install a version of Android with no google services whatsoever, including no play store
Where is the motorola graphene OS phone? This would be a great day to launch.
afaik this will be for corporations only and not sold to consumers directly
Oh, I hadn't heard that. Is that a common business model for phones?
I just checked, since I run GrapheneOs, and had Google Play installed.
I don't have Advanced Device Protection (or whatever).
If course, I really never open Play Store anymore, anyway, and I don't let it run in the background.
I went ahead and uninstallled it, just to be safe. Having anything published by Google on my devices just feels gross, now.
Aurora store is better for obtaining Play store apps, anyway.
but a privacy nerd my producer knows of basically said it was quite insecure and just recommended using the regular Play Store regardless.
Interesting!
It sounds to me like they fell for Google's ad campaign against alternate stores. (Google has been in court for locking out competing app stores, and launched a campaign in response to try to convince others not to trust alternative stores.)
Aurora, has exactly the same set of packages as Play Store, but allows anonymous connections and provides substantially more end-user privacy information.
This is such an overwhelming power grab in line with all the other crap they are currently pushing like disabling Manifest V2. The US urgently needs to ramp up their antitrust legislation, or else - if you extrapolate the current trajectories - they might soon be in a position where the US government has to do what google says and not the other way around
Remember when Apple were supposed to be the bad guys and Google/Android were “one of us”?
Is this something we can opt out of, like how we can for Play Protect?
AFAIK you can only avoid it by using a custom ROM like GrapheneOS
My phone doesn't have any custom ROM support yet, so I guess I'm screwed? I love F-Droid, but this missive amounts to just ragebait for people who don't have Pixel devices.
Just ordered a Pixel phone today. Between this and mandatory Gemini AI, I'm leaving Android.
Best way is to not include it in the first place by using another ROM. If that's not an option, you can always remove it via root. It may also be possible to use ADB/Shizuku to get rid of it, but Google could add checks to prevent ADB from removing it. Then again apps installed via ADB aren't subject to verification.
You can buy a DeGoogled Android from Fairphone or Murena. Or if you have a Pixel, you can install grapheneos.
Or leave Android altogether and get a Linux phone. You'll have more control but it won't be as slick.
The implementation about to be done is actually just another smaller step to trying to be completely locked down.
In the same way you have to go and allow developer options to install apks outside of the play store now, this new thing will take you a couple more clicks to enable it and have a one time 24 hour waiting period before you can install whatever you want.
At first Google does plan to offer something called "advanced flow" that will let you install what you want. But this doesn't address the chilling effect for developers (some are just getting out of Android rather than registering and paying Google), or the censorship power it hands to Google to make "undesirable" apps harder to obtain and install. And there's no guarantee they won't just withdraw "advanced flow" one day.
https://developer.android.com//developer-verification/guides/faq#advanced-flow
The best way to avoid it is by installing an OS that doesn't include the developer verification component.
For a long time I thought side loading was something special because it didn't say "installing software", so it must be some very special procedure that is required for mobile devices because of limitations or requirements with the hardware, right?
Yeah no, it was just a made up marketing term to push people away from installing their own software on their own devices
Fuck all big tech companies
What's going on? Why does it feel like every megacorporation have become completely openly anti-consumer? Yes, companies have always been shady and doing everything for profit, but at least they did it subtly and backtracked as soon as the backlash came. Now they're just shamelessly force feeding us spyware and "digital-only licenses revokable at any time".
I think theres two aspects to it
- social licensing - e.g. Google tries and gets away with X, so the others now perceive they're less likely to receive excessive pushback and are emboldened to go for it. This is why I feel there needs to be a pervasive and continuous push towards consumer rights - smaller cases can snowball quickly in the wrong direction, never so in the reverse.
- share price driven margin pressure, a figurative ideal business that balanced perfectly its price/margins/costs against consumer demands/buying power would still be pushed to make graph go up and right - the usual enshittification argument.
The first feeds into the second, once your competitor moves against consumer interests, C suites are/perceive they are then under pressure to match peers, else fall behind.
Screwing over customers is baked into Capitalism, even more so with the current scale and concentration of a handful of business operating in a weak regulatory environment.
What's the difference between malware and windows?
Malware is well maintained by its developers.
It might as well be if you're trying to do something it doesn't like. I created the registry entry in my VM and it still keeps turning itself back on.
The hacker news discussion is surprisingly not bad. Very few Google stans coming in to shill for their corporate masters, and they're getting soundly ignored and downvoted.
Man, I just moved here from reddit and it's so refreshing to have actual intelligent discussion instead of being shouted down by bootlickers about how no one cares for your pro privacy opinion.
It's not a bad thing to have a higher barrier to entry for the Fediverse
Which mobile OS are you guys using? How well do they work? How do they compare to stock android?
I'm thinking about flashing /e/OS over Android.
I'm currently using /e/os as there are no official custom Roms for my phone and they offer a GSI version (works on a wide variety of devices). For me it runs flawlessly, but I don't use any apps dependent on Google Play Services, so YMMV.
I think their default apps are very usable and having MicroG on board for location services is pretty handy. Their contacts/calendar/note syncing via Murena also make the user experience quite seemless.
I'd recommend it.
Edit: If you have any questions about the OS, feel free to ask away
Does things like gmail, google maps and g calendar work? If not, are there workarounds?
I think installing the apps via Aurora Store and running them should definitely work. There might be issues with syncing them to your Google account though. You can add the account via MicroG (preinstalled) but since I have no experience with running GApps on /e/os I can't attest to how well this will work, if at all.
You can install Lineage OS and add GApps though, if you're looking for a custom ROM but need extensive support for Google apps.
Might I ask what's your incentive to switch to /e/os? Installing Google apps kind of counteracts the privacy aspect.
crdroid, which is a fork of lineage os with a few notable QoL improvements i can't live without
This isn't new.
How many windows app promised security, more ram, cleaning windows, etc...
Only to be malware?
Beehaw is not the place for this kind of discussion.
Check his profile, as a tankie he has supreme authority on what goes on in other fediverse instances.
Tankie, the favourite derrogatory term for brain dead capitalist bootlickers.
What? You don't normally call capitalists "Tankie". That would be a weird insult for one, to say the least. Usually that term is reserved for a certain kind of pro-authoritarian "communist" (in quotes of course because I don't believe it's actual communism).
Anyway, not sure what any of this has to do with the post. What a weird comment thread...
Which is why you came here, to beehaw, to engage in the discussion that was already in progress without your permission? Honestly, how dare we!
I wouldn't dream of coming to your home instance and telling you what topics you can/cannot have there...
Man, this steams my broccoli. It does nothing but give Google veto power over applications, and the sideloading "exception" is a stupid 24 hour wait just to be dickheads.
They don't give a fuck about security, they just want to remove adblockers in any nefarious way they can. Utter scumbags.
We should probably understand attacker behavior rather than memorizing malware names
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