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[–] 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The people responsible for this obviously stupid mistake were replaced, right? Right?

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  • [–] 63 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's because their positions are often like that "rest of the owl" drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying "ok, go do that" is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.

    It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.

    This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.

    It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.

    It's really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It's almost like it's time to riot or something. 🀷

    I still don't think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It'll still be the nerds' job to get the robot to produce the software. It's likely just going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that's what their compensation packages are dependent on.

    That's why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it's the business hack to reduce labour cost that they've been looking for since we outlawed slavery.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 4 months ago

    Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It's only regulation that gives them a moment's pause.

    No company ever has your best interest at heart.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    It's scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven't seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That's the bigger problem that is behind all of this.

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    [–] 55 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    🀣 How Ford Is Embracing AI To Drive Innovation In The Automotive Industry

    Nov 23, 2025, 04:58pm EST

    Today, Ford is betting on the next stage of technology innovation--AI. With annual revenues of $185 billion, Ford ranks 19 on the Fortune 1000, and markets automobiles and commercial vehicles across the globe. So, how does a company that pioneered an earlier era of innovation adopt the next wave, manifested by artificial intelligence (AI), to optimize its business operations for the next generation of customers?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    It's funny. I was on the Detroit factory tour in August, and it was all about the human factor and how great it is to have human expertise and skill behind Every FORD Truck.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting. The PR team seemed to have got it at the local level. Maybe the AI bit from the article I posted was trying to reach the money people. I'm guessing the money people don't buy Fords as a rule.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled "Do Payroll" and somehow software would appear. They're doing that same thing now with AI.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Except object oriented programming is a real thing that exists.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah but it doesn't work out described, if you do it wrong then it won't work

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The one good thing about ai is that it exposes the morons

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Idk of it even does though.. Who at ford is going to take the rap for this?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Will if one would fall for this it would be a sign of progress.

    But probably it's beyond repair and the capitalistic advantage (of the y model Ford) is lost forever

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Hope the engineers asked for significant hikes over their previous salaries

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a β€œwhoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s β€œa waste of money” or β€œmight not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.

    And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re β€œso smart and important.”

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  • [–] 80 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Imagine all the recalls they didn't do because being sued and settling costs less

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That's not actually how recalls (usually) work. Companies don't unilaterally decide when a recall happens or not.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    If Monsanto can hide the fact that they paid off scientists to say Glyphosate is safe for 30 years when they knew it caused cancer, I don't know whether I can trust that. I'm sure they have ways to hide recalls to deny, delay, and defend the process...

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    No wonder their trucks and SUVs look like slop.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How did rehire affect pay?

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Bingo.

    If I were one of those engineers then the only way they'd get me back is by offering me a shit ton more cash.
    And even then I'd be actively looking for another job asap because, let's face it, the next time a Ford corporate goon feels they could fire me and replace me with a bag of shit to make their profit line go up then they would do in a heartbeat.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Not sure how it works where you are but in my country companies had started this trend where they began laying off β€œoverpriced” programmers programmers who’d been hired in the dotcom boom, had remained loyal employees for decades and (here’s the real point) were reaching retirement age. They β€˜offer a package’ (early retirement) and then manage out anyone who didn’t take it. Comes to pass that these devs have such deep domain expertise alongside their technical abilities that the majority of them get hired back as consultants at what amounts to a name-your-rate deal. Learn from us. Take the package and go freelance.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago*

    Language models don't know how to engineer trucks? Who knew?!

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    rehire to train the AI, then LAY THEM off again and hire cheaper outsourced tech engineers down the line.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is, "training" the AI is also largely a myth. A bunch of idiots in charge unironically think that if you force all your workers to use llms, llm will magically get better. Like, seriously, they believe that.

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  • They seem to somehow have convinced themselves that these "brains" will just continue to learn and evolve with changes in process, technology, and so on. The AI psychosis that ends with all things being "Ah, finally I will be rich without pesky humans and bills".

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    You wouldn't vibe code a car...

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They will fire these people again the minute they get AI working the way they want it. They better be getting extra compensation for returning.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    "Yeah I'm really into cars"

    drives a Mustang

    lmao, sure thing, buckaroo

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm very much not into cars, so what's wrong with a mustang?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Also not really into cars, but I think it has to do with the fact that people who know nothing about cars think it's one of the best cars ever or something (mostly due to marketing aimed at machismo and shit). But if you start learning about cars there's probably much better, more enjoyable rides out there, probably for much cheaper (since they're not purely about marketing and image).

    Please take all of this with a heaping pinch of salt and anyone who knows better is more than welcome to correct me or add to what I said if I missed the mark completely.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    More or less yeah. They are big impractical cars that kind of look like they are for the real world because they have storage space, seats in the back and stuff like that, but really they are for driving around and showing off how big and important you are.

    Like something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini but worse because at least they look like sports cars designed for racing.

    I certainly wouldn't want somebody who drove a car like that designing a car for doing the school run. Completely different priorities.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I am also not into cars and this just became my personal favorite example of how well marketing works. I had basically thought they were some of the best.

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  • I have friends who are very into cars. I've not absorbed as much information by osmosis as I could have, but I've absorbed some. Either way, I know the Mustang isn't nearly as special as many American tough guys think.

    Edit: The other person who replied to my comment made me think of another point. The Mustang is trying to be a super-special-manly-car while giving you an everyday car with all the seats and storage and stuff of everyday cars. Problem is, if I had to guess, it probably ends up sucking at both and just making people who know better realise you're a dumbass.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Your common GT, nothing much. The V8 Coyote is a decent engine, but... we're comparing it against the LS if we're talking direct competion with Chevy, and in that regard, LS with me every time all day every day. The market is huge for parts and swaps.

    For i-4 and v6 drivers, they couldn't care less about Ford, Chevy or Dodge, all-muscle vehicles that are too heavy to justify small engines and will spin out on a turn a WRX, BMW or, hell, a Civic Si would treat like a 35mph stroll at 75mph with hardly any difficulty.

    ...and you might want to read up on the reliability of Ford's Ecoboost engines, or the lack therof.

    guy in the back: "What about Chrysler?"

    The Charger's platform is solid and Mopar is a big brand for Dodge with lots of aftermarket. The 300 and the Challenger are decent cars by proxy, but they'd lose to... most. Too fat.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Only buy a Ford if you want to buy a new engine and/or transmission under 100k miles. Not sure if AI could make their cars worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You know what Ford stands for, right?

    Fix it again, Tony

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    And within 3-5 years they'll try a full AI production cycle again, because of "improvements and lessons learned" ....

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    at least they're getting paid obscene amount of money to make these moronic decisions, at least there's that

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Still shows you how eager they are to ruin our livelihoods as soon as possible. I hate how complacent we are to this threat

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, Ford was so low quality, how can it get worse?

    And then it got worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Nope, they are legit that stupid. They're professional idiots who only know things about their tiny niche and have NO idea what everyone else does. They have no idea how much work goes into a product, they just think that everyone does what they do, meaning "Just type/draw some stuff".

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The above-average proportion of narcissists in c-suites combined with a β€œmagic box” that tells you how smart and insightful all your ideas are and how you’re such a special big-penised boy for having them leading to delusional behaviour seems on track for me.

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  • US automaker makes poor business decisions which leads to 4th government bailout in less than 2 decades.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.

    Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Someone got a huge bonus for firing all those engineers.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl's. Some dip shit executive who doesn't understand how life works because he's neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.

    Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn't realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They're not allowed to even call the cops.

    Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can't hire LP back because they obviously moved on.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago*

    our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a "aggressive way" or pretend like you are blocking them.

    the city kept clearing the "homeless/drug addict" areas, and they have swarmed the area since.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Understandable. They couldn’t make a good car with people working there, either.

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