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[–] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh sure, but let's see Italy beat India in Cricket

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Does anyone give a shit about football in those countries though?

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah but what about football?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    you mean rugby but played wearing the silly panties, safety boy gear and helmet?
    Nobody in the world cares about that

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah! All that gear is for sissies! I like my professional athletes with brain damage.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It's something people cannot comprehend even on a personal level. I don't care about the world cup for now. People will want to talk about the last game and cannot fathom why I am not watching a 110min game where nothing happens.

    Chinese, Indians: They may not give a shit or watch some leagues from Europe if they are into football.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    It's obviously fine if you're not interested, but it seems unnecessarily aggressive to say "a 110min game where nothing happens". It also shows how little you know about the sport. Even if they go to overtime (which can only happen in direct elimination matches), that would be 90+30 = 120.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    India runs the ICC like FIFA runs the world cup.

    They make bank off of corrupt practices and matchmaking fixes that ultimately harms the sport and de-incentivizes other countries to participate.

    That doesn't mean they lack talent, they just don't care because they don't want to spend the effort of building a team if it can't make immediate money.

    Pakistan also infamously never developed its football team due to high popularity of field hockey and cricket, and now they don't bother because they can't make easy money out of it.

    Despite the low popularity, it is possible for them to form a quality team but no one wants to take the risk.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The Pakistan Football Federation has had issues with infighting, political interference, and corruption for decades. FIFA has repeatedly banned Pakistan from international football due to third-party/government interference in the federation.

    Do you have any examples of cricket matchmaking? From what I'm reading, the planning amounts to always putting Pakistan and India in the same group to maximize viewership and timing the schedule to optimize viewership in India since that's where the most viewers are.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Can't comment for India, but for China:
    Football is very popular in China. At least up until 10 years ago, it was plagued with so much blatant corruption, nepotism and alike that there would be no way to see good players emerging in major leagues and even less to see them making a difference in the field.
    I remember seeing a game during which a very sketchy referee's decision was welcome by a "It looks like team [xxx] will win tonight, as they play at home, and at home, everyone, really EVERYONE supports them!".
    Maybe nothing has changed and so the national team is made of… connected people more than skilled players.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    China is only interested in advanced math competitions, and India only cares about cricket.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Xi Jinping is a huge football fan. China implemented a plan to qualify over 10 years ago but their federation has been rife with corruption. The previous coach Li Tie (who played in Premier league) is in prison for 20 years for bribery.

    https://apnews.com/article/china-soccer-bribes-a3fee6547c9fe9f3734d65d23108cf46

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Wait, how does corruption lead to bad results exactly? The entire industry is rotten to the core.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    When decisions are based on who pays the organization the most, it can sometimes improve outcomes for the organization.

    When decisions are based on who pays the individual decisionmaker the most, it can often lead to the decisionmaker making decisions that help themselves personally but harm the organization as a whole. That's bad for outcomes.

    That's why corruption at the individual level often leads to incompetence and inefficiency. Corrupt organizations and industries, though, can coordinate in a way that mitigates these weaknesses.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Good results come from good national teams. Good national teams come from national players playing for the best teams in the world, against other best teams in the world.

    Good national players come from good youth academies. Specifically, strictly meritocratic academies where hundreds of thousands of young players start around age 8, and get regular game time against other high quality opposition. At every opportunity, if someone is way better than their opponents, they must be moved up to the next level, to avoid developing bad habits that only work against unskilled players.

    This keeps being true all the way up the pyramid, with elite prospects needing game time in the highest leagues in the world (despite being unproven/ not good enough to compete there yet!) else they won't learn to perform at that level. That's a huge sticking point too, it's a massive investment for a giant club to buy and then play a youth player instead of an established veteran.

    A big problem for non footballing nations to build the game is A) investment in youth setups and B) getting enough high quality game time to train the products of the academies to the point players regularly make the move to the top 5 leagues.

    In both cases it comes down to investment yes, but also using that productively (hiring players to develop a competitive local league for your domestic talent to learn their craft in, and building a pathway for domestic talent to make it there). That's a big barrier in corruption prone nations, because investment tends to fall into people's pockets instead of going to these goals

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    They don't just buy the best players?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Countries can't really buy the best players: for the most part a national team can only consist of citizens of that country. Switching nationality is possible but heavily restricted and very rare, and can only happen once in a career, before they've played more than a couple matches

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    I don't follow football that much but i don't really mind my country (Italy) not going in the USA, heck, that's even better lol

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    It’s too funny watching Lemmy try to answer sports questions. I’ll admit I was disappointed because I was hoping to see a compelling response to your question.

    Some decent points made but I don’t think anyone nailed it yet.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    China qualified in 2002.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    General lack of interest?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Lucky bastards. I wish my country didn't qualify so I would be spared all those stupid World Cup news and neighbor's viewing parties.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Everytime I wish my country doesn't qualify. It's the worst.

    And if they win they ruin the city.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    China has far more money than Italy. Especially in sports. They're just traditionally bad at team sports. As a nation, that is. There are of course Chinese star athletes playing in a team on the international stage but not enough to actually compete in most things as a national team.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Another factor is probably cultural. These countries simply don't have rhe obsession with football during childhood that other nations have. I might be misinformed, but I've not gotten the impression that every Chinese child, no matter how poor, spends all their time outside playing football. But that is the impression I have of, say, Brazil.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Chinese kids grow up learning how to cooperate instead of how to compete.

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  • [+] -32 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    Just to clarify for those not in the US or Europe(the question might also be the answer to topic): what's the World Cup?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    People do actually care about the World Cup in India, one of my friends’s parents are from India and they specifically mention that’s one of the things they remembered watching on TV in India growing up. It’s not a big political thing like India vs Pakistan cricket because Pakistan generally also doesn’t qualify for the World Cup lmao and people just vaguely root for Argentina Mexico or any other team that does well

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  • [+] -27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I still don't know what world cup you talk about but I believe you that one family in former England colony did care for their master's events. Does it have a cultural meaning now for most of the Indians? I doubt that, which can explain the topic here. I mean caring is the first step to make good athletes and China does pretty well in the Olympics. India not so much but I think they're going to get better in the future.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    People can both like soccer and dislike the british? What are Indians banned from being doctor who or rail fans now? Cricket is like the most popular international sport in India and English is the closest thing to a truly univeral language in India (most people in south India don't know Hindi). Turns out when the UK invades your country you get to keep the things they leave behind that you like lol

    I would argue that the british are responsible for the modern idea of an Indian state in the first place by invading the entire thing and giving everyone there a common enemy by treating everyone living there so atrociously. India would probably be like 3 or 4 smaller countries if the british hadn't forced them to unify for better or for worse

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Out of the different mainstream sports, soccer/football is one that's pretty popular in the global south. There are lots of teams coming from Africa and South America, and it's pretty popular in South Asia too

    FIFA corruption aside anyway

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    You realize that pretending to not know what the most watched sporting event in the world is just makes you seem like an idiot, right?

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Many sports have a 'world cup'.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    But only the USA has a world cup with local teams

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I was about to post an erm ackshually but I checked my facts.

    An urban myth holds the name "World Series" came from a putative sponsorship by the New York World newspaper. The earliest such claim found by Snopes was made in 1991

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

    A corruption event held every 4 years where the team that bribes the corruption organization the most get the most favorable placement in the first pairing, and all other strong teams are paired together until they knock each other out.

    You also need to pay fealty to the footy corruption organization like charging abhorrent prices for public transit to go see the games, charging insane prices for anything football related, and even crack down on businesses that sell footbal-related specials or sales without also greasing the palms of the footy corruption organization.

    Edit:

    It seems I kicked the FIFA hornets nest. It's funny seeing the amount of FIFA defenders rallying against me joking that they rig games for bribes...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    So you're one of the enlightened geniuses that believe that Argentina's World Cup was not legitimate, huh? You do realize that all of the teams have to be on board for that to happen, right? Even if they were, it would still be incredibly hard to coordinate (if not impossible). They won, and deserved it. Deal with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    I don't even know what you're talking about

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    They are corrupt, but that has nothing to do with organizing the world cup so one specific team will win it.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's a conspiracy theory I've heard a couple times that they pair up all the strong teams and the winners typically get a favorable start. I literally couldn't care less about the world Cup except to meme on it and FIFA though so what do I know. Maybe the corruption company that acts like the soccer Mafia is slightly less corrupt somehow.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't get the theory. The world cup groups are defined in a televised draw. Are you saying that the draw is fixed?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah the organization that gave trump a FIFA peace prize to bribe him after he was snubbed by the Nobel Prize debacle would play fair... I don't care whether they really do it or not (they probably do though) I just think memeing on them is funny

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    abhorrent prices for public transit to go see the games

    We're talking about qualifying for the games, not hosting them.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    We're talking about qualifying for the games, not hosting them.

    I guess they didn't pay enough in bribes to the children's game mafia then

    Also we're in the fucking memes community. FIFA is a gigantic meme. FIFA and corruption are like chocolate and peanut butter...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You don't "pay bribes" to qualify, you win matches against other countries in your region. Plenty of corruption to find at FIFA but this accusation just doesn't make sense.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    dude it's a meme joking about how corrupt FIFA is and a conspiracy theory that they pair up strong teams to eliminate them for whoever paid the most, chill out.

    ⚽ Tell me where I hurt you by pointing to it on this soccer ball

    Edit: do you also think professional wrestling is real? Because the leap in logic from "yeah the obviously corrupt organization that has a documented history of abuse and bribery wouldn't accept large bribes to fix the games they run in secret" is on the same level as believing the punisher really threw mankind off hell in a cell 16 feet through an announcers table.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    You’re talking about a children’s game, mind you.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The majority of adult hobbies are also done by children. If you are too insecure to enjoy something because someone younger does it, that's your problem. Some of most fun you can have is sharing a bit of wonder with the next generation.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago*

    who cares about athletics?

    i never heard of the 'soccer age' because no sport has ever moved our species forward. i'm definitely over here in 2026 celebrating ty cobb; without that dude i wouldn't have electricity in my house so i can watch MLB games. the only reason anyone knows the name 'ty cobb' is because his baseball card was worth so much. that's our priority beyond athletics. how much does this athlete make per year?

    what's your net worth???

    americans love sports so much because we devalue intellect and anything that makes us human. we even frame intellect as pretentious, like all those depictions of impenetrable silent french films and classical compositions that take a mountain of education to understand, even though both are always rooted in universal, human emotions.

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