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[–] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Had to do a double take with that image, the last time I saw it was in the instructions for how to use a menstrual cup. 😳

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I've been working on fully cutting out alcohol from my diet. I tried for years but I think I am finally succeeding. Haven't had a drink in almost two months.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm working on my five minute chip right now

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know what a five minute chip is?

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago*

    Damn, glad I quit drinking.

    (Hits vape pen.)

    (/s, just in case it wasn't clear.)

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  • [–] 78 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    On the other hand, why do you think we gave up the hunter/gatherer life style?

    Cultivating grapes for wine and grain for beer was the origin of civilization!

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2501758-did-ancient-humans-start-farming-so-they-could-drink-more-beer/

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  • [–] 64 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I hate that alcohol, such an obvious health detriment, is so ingrained in culture that people don't even question it... Your link makes it worse!

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  • [–] 54 points 4 months ago

    Like the link points out, we were drinking before we had written language.

    It's a matter of dealing with life on life's terms. The reality is that people like drinking. Sometimes people drink too much, and a few unlucky folks can't drink anything without risking death.

    I ocne read a story about a Vietnam era war correspondent. He was a pacifist before going to cover combat and seeing combat up close made him hate war even more.

    At one point a publisher asks him to contribute an article that 'deglamorizes war.'

    He wrote back that deglamorizing war would be as easy as deglamorizing sex.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Let's fire up a peace pipe with tobacco then!

    /j

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    With one important difference: Wine was often diluted back then and beer was not as strong as it is today, so it was much less dangerous on the whole, and it was so weak that even children drank it instead of the terrible water of the time. Though they also drank water when it was good.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Less strong, but since they drank beer instead of water overall consumption was higher. Lots of people should still drink less though.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah! It was seen as an everyday good feeling healthy thing back then and not just something to get wasted on, though that happened a lot too. I'd take the ancient mindset of moderation over today's alcohol addicted society anyday.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure it was so much about good feeling. From what I read it was more about booze being less likely to grant you a plague debuff than water back in the days.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    So you're telling me without alcohol I could have spent my life picking berries before I died of a toothache at 25? And instead I'm reading excel sheets and will die a prolonged death after years of chemo at 85?

    Damn alcohol really is the cause of all my problems...

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    No one is forcing you to brush your teeth.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    True, but its illegal for me to wander my neighborhood and pick berries from "private property"

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Realistically, if you eat out of trash cans you'll have the same experience, and if you're quiet and neat, no one will report you.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    The "dying at 25" thing is the result of a common misrepresentation of data. Infant mortality rates were significantly higher in the past, so the average gets thrown off. But, if you remove those data points (to reflect post-infancy mortality), you'd be living roughly the same amount of time.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    I’ll drink to that

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Eh, I quit a few years ago. When you have to have conversations with yourself about it, it’s time. So cold turkey I went, luckily NBD for me. The only time I miss it is after a really trying, long day; or I’m just craving flavors that aren’t sugary drinks like soda. I don’t like sweet drinks very much. Alcohol lends an intensity to flavors that’s impossible to replicate.

    Looking back at it I’m really glad I quit.

    Anyway, hopefully added years/stopped shaving years off my life. We’ll see.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What is the intensity that can’t be replicated, burn of the alcohol?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Depends. Alcohol dissolves things that normally are only fat soluble so you can get an entirely different flavour from common foods (wine and beer tastings/pairings for example)

    For fermented beverages the yeast and malt make a pretty unique flavour. Same with hops in a good pale ale or IPA. There's also the body and mouth feel that's hard to replicate without making alcohol. Residual sugars after fermentation are also kind of unique to alcohol since you always have normal sugars mixed in with other foods.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    This is right. Alcohol is almost a flavor multiplier and also holds flavors that might be more volatile and disappear. That’s why if you were to completely remove the alcohol from a drink like gin or something it would taste wildly different and probably very flat even though the rest of the beverage is the same.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I like flavored seltzer water.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I destroy those since going sober. I think it's that carbonation itself has a flavor, and in cheap beer that carbonation was actually the majority of the feel/flavor. Occasionally I'll feel silly buying so much, but then I remember how much I used to spend on booze without batting an eye and grab another 12 pack for $2.85.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    That’s good, and just fizzy mineral water too. Luckily the NA market for more interesting adult drinks is growing, so things like fake Moscow mules, Hop Tea, or other mocktails that have interesting flavors are starting to become more widely available and have zero alcohol. Not the same as the real thing, but generally pretty good and better than soda or other sugary stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    kombucha is really good for that, it may contain small amounts of alcohol but its really difficult to get it as potent before it turns more like vinegar. but the carbonation and even variations with hops are out there and are great.

    I used to do edibles every once in a while when they became legal here and found that alcohol was terrible when high because Id just get dizzy so i started drinking kombucha and it was amazing

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    I don't know how someone who grew up around people who drinked could have any other perception of alcohol than as poison. I don't know a single person who drinks regularly who doesn't have health conditions directly linked to it.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Life is the number one cause of death.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Dose makes the poison. Water can kill you. There's nothing wrong with alcohol.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    As someone who enjoys drinking alcohol: there's no beneficial or harmless amount of alcohol.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yeah I'm sober a year now due to drinking myself into severe heart failure (ejection fraction of 17%, up to 47% now) and this is correct. If you can enjoy it great, but the second people start making excuses it's over, it's just a matter of how long the slide takes.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There's nothing wrong with alcohol.

    Science says otherwise

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    As a nurse, yeah no, you can't really compare those. Water is essential for the human body. Alcohol has no benefits for the human body, quite the opposite.

    As far as I know, medicine came to the conclusion that there is no amount higher than 0 that won't harm your body.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    In theory, cocaine, opiates, etc. too. It's just that our culture does not fearmonger about "ethanol addiction", does not call "drinking" a slang term of junkies, and you cannot go to the shop to buy "Wallstreet Rush Hour", "Businessmen's salad", or "Charlie's Home-made Snowstorm".

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    cause

    attributable

    What now?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    A review of the relationship between dimensions of alcohol consumption and the burden of disease: 2026 update including Mendelian randomisation studies https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.70435

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem with meta analysis of epidemiology is that so much epidemiology is shit, by flunkee MDs, that meta analysis just concludes data is mostly shit.

    Of course it's a toxin. Even a few drinks induces ataxia by toxifying the cerebellum.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Alcohol’s a helluva drug.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It's the cause of 100% of my arguments and misunderstandings, haha.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    My dad worked on a project that could have made him and his colleague probably very rich (at least, it was successfully done to great wealth by someone else many years later) but his colleague had problems with alcohol, drunk called the investors and whatever he said made them pull out such that they had to cancel the project.

    His drinking got worse from there for him and he spent years in and out of prison. When I was about to go to college and my dad was meeting him after he got back out he took me aside and strictly warned me not to go crazy drinking in college. I truthfully told him that I don’t drink at all and I guess that was inconceivable to him because he started going, “You WILL drink. EVERYBODY drinks. Don’t lie and…” so on so forth.

    It never seemed appealing to me what with seeing people ruin their lives and act foolish, the odor, all the money people spend on it etc. I’m sure the taste is fine if you push through and try it a bunch but from seeing the effects I never wanted to. Meanwhile visiting other people’s houses as a kid my friends would be doing stuff like asking his mom if he could sniff her wineglass at dinner. 💀

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  • You know this already but yeah you are absolutely the rational one here. I drank a lot back in the day because i had a terrible home life as a child and exhibited a few other self destructive behaviors, but in the last ten years or so ill drink one beer or glass of champagne at a wedding or super bowl watch party, but 100% just to be polite and avoid people chiding me to drink. Yes, people will actually get upset and tell me to drink sometimes, work people wcyd. Idk it's like ethyl alcohol is exactly the stuff we used to sanitize surfaces at work because it kills everything and also dissolves the chemicals we work with. It's just madness to drink that stuff!!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I truthfully told him that I don’t drink at all and I guess that was inconceivable to him because he started going, “You WILL drink. EVERYBODY drinks. Don’t lie and…” so on so forth.

    There's a lot of social pressure to drink, particularly for folks over 40. My first year at my current company, it was very normal for the department head to take everyone down to the bar and buy them shots. We definitely had folks that declined. But those weren't the ones he got close with. Consequently, they weren't the ones who got fast tracked for promotions and raises and such.

    Not saying it's a strict 1:1 correlation, because we definitely have a few teatoddlers in the upper wings of management. But it's the exception more than the rule.

    There's also a lot of status in drinking - particularly expensive wines and liquors - such that having a nice bottle on hand when friends are over is considered normal. So I can see why it's frustrating to your dad, talking to someone who isn't in that lifestyle and culture, when he hears "Oh, I just don't do that". Particularly, when he's trying to hammer home how easy it is to go from "I don't drink" to "I drank too much".

    It never seemed appealing to me what with seeing people ruin their lives and act foolish, the odor, all the money people spend on it etc.

    It's a popular social lubricant for a reason. A glass of wine or beer is great at reducing social anxiety. I've got friends who insist on a drink at big events. It's that or pop a xanax.

    I also know a few girls who go from dead fish to horny af after a few glasses. So, when they want to hook up, they will take a few shots first to get in the mood. And "odor" can be a plus (for me, anyway) when it's a petty scotch or rich cherry.

    There's also an artistry to the craft of fermentation, such that it's as much a hobby as a habit. I know a guy who brews his own beer and loves to bring different casks to events to show off what he's made. And another who works in the industry. He loves to pull out bottles he picked up overseas and show off different styles, flavors, and techniques of manufacture.

    Then there's just a general quality of pairing. My wife keeps a small wine collection, knows what pairs well, and regularly opens a bottle for cooking or to match with a particular meal.

    So... YMMV. But there's definitely a big gray area between never drinking at all and being an alcoholic.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    To be clear the guy with the drinking problem who was talking to me wasn’t my dad, he was a colleague and friend of my dad. My dad did drink from time to time but he wasn’t an alcoholic by any means and in recent years my dad gave up drinking entirely anyway whereas the other guy has unfortunately passed away some years back.

    I don’t care if other people drink for some reason or other (at least as long as it’s not impacting me… wasn’t fun when a drunk roommate was waving my computer around in the air unsteadily), whatever floats their boat, I just don’t personally.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well, I was thinking of dropping alcohol anyways.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Did it on New year's eve. I'm enjoying it so far..

    Social life changes a lot. Luckily I didn't have one to begin with.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I've found 0% beer is good for having a drink in your hand during a social event. They're not really that good in and of themselves that you can drink them to appreciate them like a real beer, and of course they don't get you drunk at all. But it's better than having water or nothing.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Alcohol is responsible for about half my problems. The other half are from not drinking enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Here is to alcohol! The cause of and solution to, all of life's problems!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I heard they are making biodegradable plastic from potato starch now. So eat up!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Bro, they're making potatoes from plastic starch right now, that's what they're working on

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    They also found that drinking raises the risk of:

    ...sexually transmitted infections

    This statement really made we wonder if they thought about actual causality at all.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Stop. Fucking. Your. Beer. Bottles.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    From a summary:

    Drinking damages the liver and may make the body more vulnerable to infectious diseases, including sexually transmitted infections and tuberculosis.

    Or from the review itself:

    Infectious disease

    The causal impact of alcohol on the four broad categories of infectious disease from the last Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health [1] has been confirmed in recent reviews [15, 16]. The main biological mechanism involves alcohol-induced liver dysfunction, which disrupts both non-specific innate and adaptive immune responses through acute and chronic alcohol consumption [80-84]. Lowered immune responses increase susceptibility to communicable diseases. More specific biological pathways are described in the references listed in Table 1.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    While all of this is true and concerning, now is not the time to raw dog reality.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Doing weed is also bad for me. It got me quite severe health effects that I'm dealing with right now.

    I'm not regretting it for a second and the second my issues are under control I'll use weed again (in much lower doses) because living in the raw reality right now just makes you depressed and suicidal. I'm m neither, and I'll contribute that happily to pot, it made life nice again for a few years

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Marijuana. None of that shit, only good stuffs!!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not legal everywhere unfortunately. Alcohol is because it must be "safer" right? RIght?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Most drugs were scheduled to incriminate the lower income groups (i.e. mostly not white folks) They tried to ban alcohol once too. It didn't go very well. Marijuana is less addictive and far less destructive, plus anyone can grow it, it's like a fucking weed. Also, hops and Mary Jane are from the same family of plants.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    wow if only we had any idea like since the dawn of time

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Gotta go sometime and I’d rather do it having enjoyed a little bit of wine

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