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[โ€“] 56 points 1 month ago* (103 children)

Does anyone know if it has a headphone jack? It seems dumb to brag about having B&O work on the audio if not, but I am still thinking it won't which will kill any interest in it.

Edit: I confirmed it does not have one. total junk

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  • [โ€“] [S] 34 points 1 month ago (51 children)
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  • [โ€“] [S] 16 points 1 month ago (41 children)

    yes, period (we can do this all day, let's go ๐Ÿ˜†)

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  • [โ€“] [S] 16 points 1 month ago (37 children)

    Yes I want a built-in jack connector lmfao

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  • [โ€“] [S] 13 points 1 month ago* (34 children)

    The vast majority of people want a jack connector, this literally why you can still buy a shit ass cable from one of the most evil company on planet earth

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    You...think engineers get to pick the product requirements?... That's not how anything works.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 month ago* (27 children)

    Engineers are probably the last people who would get to make that decision though. Even if they argued and threatened to resign over it they may fail to get any deference on such a decision. Unless they could successfully argue that for a technical reason they should keep it or add it. Which obviously doesn't make sense, they already have many designs without it to iterate on.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 month ago (25 children)

    It doesn't really matter that much I was just pointing out that you had specifically said the engineers weren't adding a headphone jack as if to give gravitas to this decision, but they don't actually make it. That's all.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

    Just take the L. You're wrong. Engineers don't decide featureset unless they also happen to occupy another role in the company. Jesus.

    Also it's funny how you've gone from "I'm right engineers decide it all" to "it doesn't matter who decides it" and now we're back to the former because you googled some atypical cases..?

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    They take a list of features given to them by product people who have gathered the requirements from all the interested parties. They then attempt to design all the technical architecture to support those features. They typically wouldn't decide anything not related to technical aspects. Such as "this is impossible because of x, y, z" or "this is very expensive to do so I don't recommend it". It's a push and pull but if an engineer ever said "we're doing this feature because I want it", typically that would be strange and they would not get their way.

    Why do you ask? I am quite confused by this exchange.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    As someone who's been a hardware engineer at Apple and left specifically because I saw they were getting rid of the headphone jack, it is not the engineers that get to make those kinds of decisions. The decision to remove the headphone jack was so they could sell you $100+ air pods that would then also work with your Apple Watch. It was not because there was no space or that ingress protection was unachievable, or it cost to much, or people didn't want it. Trick Dacy is right.

    By the way, I rock a Linux phone now with a headphone jack, removable battery, microSD, and have an Android with a headphone jack, microSD as my backup. If the Fairphone 6 had a headphone jack, which is the #1 requested feature on every forum post I've seen, it would be the perfect phone, especially given it can have both Android and Linux on it.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    To sell wireless headphones for $100+, higher revenue per person, and provide a non dorky way to listen to stuff through your smartwatch. All of them have wireless earbuds and smart watches. You need to replace them when the non removable battery dies so it's really a wireless headphone subscription. Apple's practice for the watch were the two final iPod nanos. Attaching it to your wrist with a headphone cord running up your arm looked dorky. Apple doesn't do dorky, Android OEMs didn't want smartwatches with headphone jacks to look dorky either. And Android OEMs often copy Apple because Apple is the more stylish one

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Sorry yes. The fairphone removed the headphone jack in their phones awhile ago. They now sell wireless earbuds, which goes completely against their purported philosophy.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You'll notice mid to high end Motorola phones do not have the headphone jack, that's because they know those segments are more likely to afford being able to pay for their Moto wireless headphones, while mid to low end phones still have it. In North America, where your choices are primarily Apple, Google, Samsung, and Motorola, they are able to capture that part of the market, people who are too poor or unwilling to pay for wireless earbuds, or are unwilling to forfeit the feature to for better specs elsewhere

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    I read it. I found it increasingly confusing. I thought I was being very clear in making a singular point: engineers rarely if ever decide what features get built, unless their input on what's cost effective or possible is properly considered. In this case meaning engineers saying they want or don't want a headphone jack on a phone would probably not be a thing because they know if it did they would be ignored. Here's how this actually went:

    Execs at company ask some team to find a new way to make revenue. They come up with the idea to remove the headphone jack and start making and selling wireless headphones and (bonus) adapters for people who don't want wireless. The CEO loves the idea and forces it to happen. The engineers were told to design a new phone without it. Some of them gripe about it but no one cares. Maybe even one guy quit over it. The phone gets made anyway because engineers don't decide features. They decide the how not the what.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Almost nothing is absolute. But you again seem to forget how this started. You told someone:

    Apparently the majority of those people you are referring to arent phone engineers because they're not building them in.

    Which is implying that engineers decide what features a phone has. There might be 1 in 100 that does because they were a founding member of the company or something, but you were very clearly generalizing the engineering role incorrectly. Then you doubled down several times then finally tried to play it off like you understood this the whole time and I was just being "nitpicky" so we're even or something.

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  • [โ€“] 21 points 1 month ago (20 children)
    1. Not a good one
    2. This is a good way to ensure a short life for your charging port
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  • [โ€“] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The charging port doesn't break from plugging in the cable, it happens because the headphone cable gets pulled at angles and usb-c isn't good at handling the stress from. I've literally had this happen. And yes, Apple's dongle IS one of the best usb-c dongles. They have always sold it dirt cheap as a way to assuage the people that were angry at the headphone jack removal. I am surprised they haven't raised the price after all these years; it has to be sold at a loss at this point.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 month ago

    I'm still, after several years, confused on why didn't they make the USB-C connector circular. Wouldn't have to deal with the whole "spin 1/2" issue USB has had for decades, and there wouldn't be a "weird angle" for the cable to be pulled at, all angles would be equal.

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    The charging port (aka USB-C port) isnt going to break because you occasionally plug in a cable into it.

    It absolutely can.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    I haven't had it happen to a phone in a long time (though it did happen to the LG phone I had like two phones ago).

    I've had it happen to another device that charges with USB-C (Focus V Carta 2). To the point where I had to buy a wireless charger (that itself needs to charge with USB-C so I have to make sure not to do it again) built specifically for the device and it's the only way I can charge the device now.

    Amazing device though. I've had it for like 6 years now and that's the only part that stopped working. I haven't inhaled combusted plant matter since.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 month ago (7 children)
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  • [โ€“] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)
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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    The adapter is extra room and gives a joint point that can be bent and broken.

    Built-in > Bolt-in.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Much harder to replace the built-in USB-C port and you also lose a lot of other features of the phone (such as... ya know... charging) in the meanwhile.

    Really, AI has brought people intellects that low, even here on Lemmy?

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I assume you mean a 3a, I don't believe the 3 still had a headphone jack. I held on to my 4a for as long as I could, but after their battery shenanigans it only lasted a few hours is very light use.

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  • Have you tried a USB C to headphone adapter? They're quite small and never have to leave your headphones. And you could set the phone on a wireless charger to charge and listen simultaneously. Would that be an option for you?

    Oh. I see someone else asked this. Never mind.

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  • [โ€“] 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Minority of a minority of a minority.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Them and the "make it smaller crowd" too. A very small, very loud minority that fails to actually show up when such a product is released.

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