▲ 631 ▼ Turbines are our friends (media.piefed.social) submitted 7 months ago by morto@piefed.social to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 85 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 points 7 months ago (13 children) Would solar boilers be more efficient than PV? permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (8 children) No, neither will it be cheaper. People stopped building those some years ago. (But those incredibly expensive concentrators with a single tower are more efficient. Nobody is building those anymore either.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago (5 children) I assume not efficient enough to justify cost permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children) Turns out that sunlight is very cheap. You need a lot of efficiency to justify any extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Plus, you get a lot of lag when heating water with concentrated solar. Overnight your water cools down, so you need time to get it back to boiling temperature before it can generate any power. That lag gets worse during winter and cloudy days permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damage@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago PV panels have very low maintenance needs permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) They used to be cheaper. Solar is bananas cheap now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Generating electricity by boiling water used to be the cheapest option, but nowadays it's a bottleneck that itself is way more expensive than the alternatives that people actually build. It only got cheaper with time, though. It's the alternatives (PV, wind, batteries, gas) that improved a crazy amount. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) Another thread I read said that photovoltaics have an efficiency of around 45%, while turbines are somewhere in the 40% range. Source: I dunno. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago PVs max out around 28% permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Turbines are over 90% efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zout@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago Traditional Rankine cycles with a boiler, a turbine and a condenser have efficiencies lower than 40%, I've never seen one higher than 30%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (8 children) No, neither will it be cheaper. People stopped building those some years ago. (But those incredibly expensive concentrators with a single tower are more efficient. Nobody is building those anymore either.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago (5 children) I assume not efficient enough to justify cost permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children) Turns out that sunlight is very cheap. You need a lot of efficiency to justify any extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Plus, you get a lot of lag when heating water with concentrated solar. Overnight your water cools down, so you need time to get it back to boiling temperature before it can generate any power. That lag gets worse during winter and cloudy days permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damage@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago PV panels have very low maintenance needs permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) They used to be cheaper. Solar is bananas cheap now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Generating electricity by boiling water used to be the cheapest option, but nowadays it's a bottleneck that itself is way more expensive than the alternatives that people actually build. It only got cheaper with time, though. It's the alternatives (PV, wind, batteries, gas) that improved a crazy amount. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago (5 children) I assume not efficient enough to justify cost permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children) Turns out that sunlight is very cheap. You need a lot of efficiency to justify any extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Plus, you get a lot of lag when heating water with concentrated solar. Overnight your water cools down, so you need time to get it back to boiling temperature before it can generate any power. That lag gets worse during winter and cloudy days permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damage@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago PV panels have very low maintenance needs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (3 children) Turns out that sunlight is very cheap. You need a lot of efficiency to justify any extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Plus, you get a lot of lag when heating water with concentrated solar. Overnight your water cools down, so you need time to get it back to boiling temperature before it can generate any power. That lag gets worse during winter and cloudy days permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Plus, you get a lot of lag when heating water with concentrated solar. Overnight your water cools down, so you need time to get it back to boiling temperature before it can generate any power. That lag gets worse during winter and cloudy days permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) In some ways, that lag is good. You can cheaply replace batteries with just a thermal mass. But it's not good enough to make up for the cost difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago The sunlight spent just to get the water up to temperature is also wasted, so the maximum extractable energy per day gets kneecapped permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago PV panels have very low maintenance needs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) They used to be cheaper. Solar is bananas cheap now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Generating electricity by boiling water used to be the cheapest option, but nowadays it's a bottleneck that itself is way more expensive than the alternatives that people actually build. It only got cheaper with time, though. It's the alternatives (PV, wind, batteries, gas) that improved a crazy amount. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Generating electricity by boiling water used to be the cheapest option, but nowadays it's a bottleneck that itself is way more expensive than the alternatives that people actually build. It only got cheaper with time, though. It's the alternatives (PV, wind, batteries, gas) that improved a crazy amount. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) Another thread I read said that photovoltaics have an efficiency of around 45%, while turbines are somewhere in the 40% range. Source: I dunno. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago PVs max out around 28% permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Turbines are over 90% efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zout@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago Traditional Rankine cycles with a boiler, a turbine and a condenser have efficiencies lower than 40%, I've never seen one higher than 30%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago PVs max out around 28% permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Turbines are over 90% efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zout@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago Traditional Rankine cycles with a boiler, a turbine and a condenser have efficiencies lower than 40%, I've never seen one higher than 30%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zout@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago Traditional Rankine cycles with a boiler, a turbine and a condenser have efficiencies lower than 40%, I've never seen one higher than 30%. permalink fedilink source parent