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Doug Ford thinks it's "fantastic" that we're equipping ICE (www.youtube.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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[–] 26 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

Arming and equipping fascists is bad, even if the minority out-group of the day isn't us.

"First they came for the Americans, but I was not an American so I sold them the weapons they would later use against me."

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, as much as I celebrate a dead American it's more important that we don't support them.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    While I don't celebrate any dead Americans, I would prefer we were arming the ones the fascists are oppressing.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Why? They clearly aren't fighting back.

    Americans have an "oppress me daddy" mindset.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I hope for your sake that you will always hold as much privilege as you do at this moment.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Given you don't know me or my life, please explain my "privilege" as you understand it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The lack of empathy is a giveaway.
    "why do the ones who are suffering simply decide not to suffer"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I recognize they are doing peaceful protests, and getting scattered by ICE with some tear gas, but I don't see many willing to actually fight.

    Maybe it isn't a lack of empathy but watching their actions?

    My claim that Americans desire a fascist state are somewhat justified. Watch any random video of 1st amendment auditors in the US. The common theme regardless of political leaning is the desire to punish the other. US citizens will call men with guns to deal with a guy just standing on the sidewalk with a phone camera. The US citizen has the desire to have the camera person punished for their perfectly legal, yet disliked, actions.

    Lawsuits in the US also demonstrate the results of years of brainwashing the American public with "American exceptionalism" rhetoric. Someone slips on the sidewalk due to no negligence of another, but someone must be punished.

    The police in the US as generally pretty terrible. They have a long history of planting evidence, harassing innocents, fishing for crimes for no reason, harming and killing innocent Americans. The cops are protected by the government with qualified immunity. If a cop happens to get punished and fired in one district, it's been shown time and time again they can move to the town next door and continue being a cop. If Americans cared, this action would stop. But a large number of them don't care because it doesn't happen to them OR they approve of the killing and beatings because that person was "the other".

    This has been going on for decades and decades. All it takes is the majority of Americans to desire it to stop - yet it hasn't.

    1/3 of the country voted for Trump because they knew who he was. 1/3 of the country couldn't give a shit to vote.

    American exceptionalism and apathy are killing Americans and 2/3 of them either are for it or don't give a shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you've got kids, you can't afford to take risks that could endanger them.
    If you have rent or a mortgage, you can't take time off work to organize.
    If you have a full-time job, you don't have the time or energy to protest.
    If you have a cell phone, they'll be waiting at your home for you and put a bag over your head.
    If you have a face, they'll identify you and make you disappear.
    If you have skin, they'll target you. If you have a sexuality or a disability, they'll target you. If you have complaints, they'll target you.
    This is a system built from the ground up to make revolution seem impossible. This is a system that undermined education and then took advantage of learning gaps with lies crafted to keep the people fighting each other instead of up.
    Make enough people believe that voting won't change anything (because they did vote last time and look what happened). Make enough people mad and scared of out-groups and then offer them salvation. Keep doing that forever.

    You're calling for violence against people who have been abused and who have given up because they've been made to feel like nothing they do matters, and that whatever life they've managed to scratch together will be destroyed in front of them.
    You're calling for violence against people for not magically transforming into Rambo, when they've been consistently denied the resources and the training.

    I believe that the majority of Americans do want it to stop. But they're trapped in a system that takes their agency away. It's a system that is not going to be stopped. Not by them. And that's by design.

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