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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 37 points 10 months ago (137 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 137 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago* (68 children) anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year. Men can't make this claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 68 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago (6 children) How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You're manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way. Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Have you never seen any report of how many women experience some form of sexual assault from men in their life? Because that's higher than you think. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (59 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 59 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (18 children) There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal. Now do men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 45 points 10 months ago (14 children) There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/ in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men. https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape. Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago (9 children) Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago (2 children) I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] ideonek@piefed.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) "Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity" You should talk to a women one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) you get only 2-5 *actual attacks* reported per year. There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it's a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (21 children) Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 42 points 10 months ago (21 children) Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) I wonder how many female bears kill people vs male bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SuperEars@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 24 points 10 months ago* (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children) I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year. Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods. Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much. Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 child) This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You're almost there! permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (6 children) ... A purple cold? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] TaterTot@piefed.social 23 points 10 months ago (2 children) This week on another episode of "Missing the Forest for the Trees"! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TaterTot@piefed.social 18 points 10 months ago Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest. This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] ideonek@piefed.social 16 points 10 months ago And I will always choose the bear I will always choose the wolves No matter what they do, they wouldn't blame my clothes I would rather choose to die Let my body decompose Cause even when you're ash, thеy will never let you go permalink fedilink source parent [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (6 children) To be fair, I don't think the meme question ever specified what kind of bear they're going to meet in the woods. I know my answer would change drastically based on the type of bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Tell me you know nothing about bears without telling me you know nothing about bears. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) Tell us you haven't lived in a place with black bears without telling us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago 800 lbs of pure "i'm sorry, i didn't mean it, please don't hurt me, i'm someone's little boy" permalink fedilink source parent [–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 16 points 10 months ago (21 children) So, certain death is preferable to meeting the average male randomly in the woods, in other words, the average woman believes the average man will rape and kill her. That's all we need to say about male/female relations in 2026. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (14 children) I know it's a novelty account but you're still just being obnoxious and spreading hate under the guise of satire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 10 months ago (10 children) The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start. Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations. So this makes the argument more like asking: Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods? Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man. As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short. This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men). However, looking at the more realistic outcome of "meeting" a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense. Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (7 children) Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is "wrong" are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago (4 children) Don't forget the part where the meeting was anonymous and without consequences. The men would basically act like they would online. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (10 replies)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago* (68 children) anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year. Men can't make this claim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 68 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago (6 children) How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You're manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way. Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Have you never seen any report of how many women experience some form of sexual assault from men in their life? Because that's higher than you think. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (59 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 59 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (18 children) There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal. Now do men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 45 points 10 months ago (14 children) There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/ in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men. https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape. Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago (9 children) Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago (2 children) I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] ideonek@piefed.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) "Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity" You should talk to a women one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) you get only 2-5 *actual attacks* reported per year. There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it's a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (21 children) Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago (6 children) How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You're manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way. Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Have you never seen any report of how many women experience some form of sexual assault from men in their life? Because that's higher than you think. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Have you never seen any report of how many women experience some form of sexual assault from men in their life? Because that's higher than you think. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (59 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 59 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (18 children) There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal. Now do men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 45 points 10 months ago (14 children) There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/ in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men. https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape. Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago (9 children) Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago (2 children) I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] ideonek@piefed.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) "Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity" You should talk to a women one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) you get only 2-5 *actual attacks* reported per year. There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it's a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (21 children) Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (18 children) There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal. Now do men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 45 points 10 months ago (14 children) There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/ in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men. https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape. Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] nocturne@piefed.social 45 points 10 months ago (14 children) There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/ in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men. https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape. Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Deceptichum [S] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) You didn't factor in the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 19 points 10 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (3 children) You are such an asshole. I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly. Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away. You are also the reason why people choose bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] nocturne@piefed.social 8 points 10 months ago You are also the reason why people choose bears. That was my thought reading every single one of their replies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago I don't know who this guy is, nor do I want to read their history... But I agree, they do seem like an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago Is that scaling for interactions? Total amount of women who've interacted with a bear VS a man. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago (9 children) Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (7 children) Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.) Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago smidge permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
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[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago (2 children) I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) "Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity" You should talk to a women one day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) you get only 2-5 *actual attacks* reported per year. There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it's a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (21 children) Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies) [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children) Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you. A perfect juxtaposition for incels! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children) Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer. Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 42 points 10 months ago (21 children) Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) I wonder how many female bears kill people vs male bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SuperEars@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 24 points 10 months ago* (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children) I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year. Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods. Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much. Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 child) This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You're almost there! permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (6 children) ... A purple cold? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 child) I wonder how many female bears kill people vs male bears. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SuperEars@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 24 points 10 months ago* (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children) I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year. Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods. Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much. Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 child) This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You're almost there! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children) I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year. Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods. Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much. Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 child) This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You're almost there! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 child) This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant). People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) What in the fuck is your point? Who are these assholes defending this line of thinking? Strawmaning like nutjobs trying to defend men? Fuck you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) This thread is hilarious, guys in here talking about going to work with bears Anything to avoid the concept that men are actually dangerous to women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago So an individual bear kills how many humans on average and an individual human kills how many humans on average a year. You're almost there! permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (6 children) ... A purple cold? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 23 points 10 months ago (2 children) This week on another episode of "Missing the Forest for the Trees"! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TaterTot@piefed.social 18 points 10 months ago Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest. This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] TaterTot@piefed.social 18 points 10 months ago Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest. This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 18 points 10 months ago Since that’s not what it was being used to justify, you’ve helpfully proven my point by reenacting it, staring at the tree and insisting it’s the forest. This happens more often than you’d think, so don’t feel too bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ideonek@piefed.social 16 points 10 months ago And I will always choose the bear I will always choose the wolves No matter what they do, they wouldn't blame my clothes I would rather choose to die Let my body decompose Cause even when you're ash, thеy will never let you go permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (6 children) To be fair, I don't think the meme question ever specified what kind of bear they're going to meet in the woods. I know my answer would change drastically based on the type of bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Tell me you know nothing about bears without telling me you know nothing about bears. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) Tell us you haven't lived in a place with black bears without telling us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago 800 lbs of pure "i'm sorry, i didn't mean it, please don't hurt me, i'm someone's little boy" permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 16 points 10 months ago (21 children) So, certain death is preferable to meeting the average male randomly in the woods, in other words, the average woman believes the average man will rape and kill her. That's all we need to say about male/female relations in 2026. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (14 children) I know it's a novelty account but you're still just being obnoxious and spreading hate under the guise of satire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 10 months ago (10 children) The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start. Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations. So this makes the argument more like asking: Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods? Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man. As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short. This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men). However, looking at the more realistic outcome of "meeting" a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense. Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (7 children) Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is "wrong" are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies) [–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago (4 children) Don't forget the part where the meeting was anonymous and without consequences. The men would basically act like they would online. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (14 children) I know it's a novelty account but you're still just being obnoxious and spreading hate under the guise of satire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 10 months ago (10 children) The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start. Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations. So this makes the argument more like asking: Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods? Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man. As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short. This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men). However, looking at the more realistic outcome of "meeting" a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense. Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (7 children) Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is "wrong" are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 10 months ago (10 children) The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start. Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations. So this makes the argument more like asking: Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods? Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man. As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short. This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men). However, looking at the more realistic outcome of "meeting" a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense. Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (7 children) Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is "wrong" are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (7 children) Also, men who feel the need to argue about why choosing the bear is "wrong" are the reason that most women choose the bear in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago (4 children) Don't forget the part where the meeting was anonymous and without consequences. The men would basically act like they would online. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)