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[–] 97 points 10 months ago* (68 children)

anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR

But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.

Bears are not kind to humans in their territory

Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.

Men can't make this claim.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You're manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way.

    Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive?

    "I've never been in a conversation with someone who wasn't alive, therefore death isn't real."

    Fucking baby-brain shit. Have you even developed object permanence yet?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Lol, are you literally thinking the hypothetical includes all men? They aren't going to run away from their father, brother, cousin, or the nice old man who runs the laundremat.

    It's about predatory men. Men that want something from them - sex, a relationship, companionship. The way mamy men pursue this is often very sketchy and/or dangerous. Domestic violence against woman is extremely common.

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  • [+] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (59 children)
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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal.

    Now do men.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/

    in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men.

    https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women

    using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape.

    Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You are such an asshole.

    I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly.

    Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away.

    You are also the reason why people choose bears.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023

    Murder isn't the only way to be killed. Case in point, 2,958 women's deaths are classified as "passenger vehicle accidents", plus another 2,126 pedestrian deaths.

    By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you're worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.)

    Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (6 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said?

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (12 children)

    Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You are missing the point of the original experiment, and continue to misdirect the discussion into your predeterminted views.

    So again, fuck you for that.

    The only thing that matters is that "some MEN ARE A DANGER TO WOMEN".

    Disregarding that you only support the attackers. Simple as.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY cares about bears. Everyone knows they can and will kill you.

    But that's the upside: an understood and agreed danger.

    Men can and will kill men and women, in great numbers every year. And people choose to ignore that.

    Like, I don't know, derailing conversations to talk about bears.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Nobody has claimed that bears aren't dangerous.

    The fact is: despite the fact that everyone knows bears are dangerous, many women when asked say they would rather encounter a bear than a man. That isn't saying they don't think bears are dengerous, it speaks volumes about their regular encounters with men.

    Saying "um acksully bears are very dangerous" is ignoring the point to have an argument that no one is actually arguing against.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Honestly confused, do you mean in your initial comment you were asserting that the choices were either "interact with man" or "interact with bear"? Because if so that was never the premise of the initial question, and nobody else here appears to be discussing it like it was.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    ... The initial question doesn't frame it like that, yes; however I don't see anyone here implying it does, so I'm unclear on how it's at all relevant. The initial question is "would you rather be in the woods alone with a bear or with a man you didn't know" - being alone in the woods with a bear is an extremely common thing (I was alone in the woods with countless bears not moments ago when I stepped outside), and the risks carried by either option are the entire point of the question.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer.

    Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Explain how the bear is statistically safer; you would need to factor in not just total incidences, but total interactions, otherwise it's a sharpshooter fallacy.

    The average woman likely has tens of thousands of hours with strange men and no incident, and it would be extremely surprising that the bear stats would be better than that.

    I wouldn't be surprised that even if you only selected men convicted of violence on women, the bears would still be statistically more dangerous (or it would at least be a somewhat close comparison).

    This is getting into the weeds a bit though and not really in the spirit of the original question.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Women existing in public: https://www.tiktok.com/@specere/video/7472932570162924831

    It doesn't matter if there is a bus full of men and only one is a creep. The woman isn't going to remember the 99 men who left her alone, she's going to remember the 1 that stared at her the whole time.

    If this was your experience every day it would not be surprising at all to not want to be around a random man.

    Not all men are creeps, but all women have been creeped on.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    I can't tell if this a serious comment. There were only three in the entire United States? God damn dude, maybe I'll take the bear as well... And I'm a guy.

    I guess you've sold us all on how much better the bear is. For the record, I encountered a bear earlier this year and yelled at it. It walked away.

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