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[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bees are technically a kind of wasp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I am understanding the chart here correctly, bees are not a type of wasp. Bees, wasps, ants, and sawflies are all Hymenopterans, but distinct from each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) That graph does contain bees among wasps. To be specific, bees are a "Cladistically included but traditionally excluded taxa" of wasps, since they are within Apocrita. The common-language definition of wasp is literally "A member of Apocrita ... except bees (and ants)". It's the same situation as saying a chicken is a dinosaur, and why the field often uses "non-avian dinosaurs" instead for clarity. This wikipedia diagram from the Aculeata article is a bit more concise: Take now for example Stephanoidea, "a superfamily of parasitic wasps within the Apocrita". Clearly wasps, yet equally closely related to yellow-jackets and honey-bees. Edit: mixed up Aculeata and Aulacidae. Edit2: If you go further into Apoidae, even there you still find plenty more "clearly wasp" type species: Take Sphecidae: Or Philanthidae: All on the same level as actual bees (Anthophila). I think also in terms of vibes it feels right to call bees a subset of wasps. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I am understanding the chart here correctly, bees are not a type of wasp. Bees, wasps, ants, and sawflies are all Hymenopterans, but distinct from each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) That graph does contain bees among wasps. To be specific, bees are a "Cladistically included but traditionally excluded taxa" of wasps, since they are within Apocrita. The common-language definition of wasp is literally "A member of Apocrita ... except bees (and ants)". It's the same situation as saying a chicken is a dinosaur, and why the field often uses "non-avian dinosaurs" instead for clarity. This wikipedia diagram from the Aculeata article is a bit more concise: Take now for example Stephanoidea, "a superfamily of parasitic wasps within the Apocrita". Clearly wasps, yet equally closely related to yellow-jackets and honey-bees. Edit: mixed up Aculeata and Aulacidae. Edit2: If you go further into Apoidae, even there you still find plenty more "clearly wasp" type species: Take Sphecidae: Or Philanthidae: All on the same level as actual bees (Anthophila). I think also in terms of vibes it feels right to call bees a subset of wasps. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) That graph does contain bees among wasps. To be specific, bees are a "Cladistically included but traditionally excluded taxa" of wasps, since they are within Apocrita. The common-language definition of wasp is literally "A member of Apocrita ... except bees (and ants)". It's the same situation as saying a chicken is a dinosaur, and why the field often uses "non-avian dinosaurs" instead for clarity. This wikipedia diagram from the Aculeata article is a bit more concise: Take now for example Stephanoidea, "a superfamily of parasitic wasps within the Apocrita". Clearly wasps, yet equally closely related to yellow-jackets and honey-bees. Edit: mixed up Aculeata and Aulacidae. Edit2: If you go further into Apoidae, even there you still find plenty more "clearly wasp" type species: Take Sphecidae: Or Philanthidae: All on the same level as actual bees (Anthophila). I think also in terms of vibes it feels right to call bees a subset of wasps. permalink fedilink source parent