▲ 434 ▼ Should Neutron Stars be Added to the Periodic Table? (lemmy.zip) submitted 1 year ago by janus2@lemmy.zip to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 50 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://jabde.com/2024/08/10/should-neutron-stars-be-added-to-the-periodic-table/ I say yes, entirely because it's hilarious
[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 year ago (8 children) protons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ns1@feddit.uk 34 points 1 year ago (7 children) we have assumed that Rex is comprised of a uniform nucleon fluid, with protons, neutrons and electrons in an idealised 1:8:1 ratio This is how the author is estimating it, they are assuming 1/9th of the mass is protons. No idea how good that assumption is though, there is a source which doesn't look the most convincing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (6 children) Whoopsie. I used to assume neutron stars are made of neutrons. It turns out Big Astronomy lied to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago Neutron stars are made of neutrons in the same way that tapwater is made of water molecules: primarily, but not entirely permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Neutron stars have so high pressure that MOST but not all protons decay into neutrons plus electrons positrons (plus neutrinos) Edit: (see quote below) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not exactly well-read on particle physics, but to my understanding neutrons and neutrinos are neutrally charged and electrons are negatively charged. Why does a proton break down into net-negatively charged particles? I assume some weird quark shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Highlow@piefed.social -3 points 1 year ago I thought they were made from your mom's dingleberries permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ns1@feddit.uk 34 points 1 year ago (7 children) we have assumed that Rex is comprised of a uniform nucleon fluid, with protons, neutrons and electrons in an idealised 1:8:1 ratio This is how the author is estimating it, they are assuming 1/9th of the mass is protons. No idea how good that assumption is though, there is a source which doesn't look the most convincing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (6 children) Whoopsie. I used to assume neutron stars are made of neutrons. It turns out Big Astronomy lied to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago Neutron stars are made of neutrons in the same way that tapwater is made of water molecules: primarily, but not entirely permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Neutron stars have so high pressure that MOST but not all protons decay into neutrons plus electrons positrons (plus neutrinos) Edit: (see quote below) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not exactly well-read on particle physics, but to my understanding neutrons and neutrinos are neutrally charged and electrons are negatively charged. Why does a proton break down into net-negatively charged particles? I assume some weird quark shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Highlow@piefed.social -3 points 1 year ago I thought they were made from your mom's dingleberries permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (6 children) Whoopsie. I used to assume neutron stars are made of neutrons. It turns out Big Astronomy lied to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago Neutron stars are made of neutrons in the same way that tapwater is made of water molecules: primarily, but not entirely permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Neutron stars have so high pressure that MOST but not all protons decay into neutrons plus electrons positrons (plus neutrinos) Edit: (see quote below) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not exactly well-read on particle physics, but to my understanding neutrons and neutrinos are neutrally charged and electrons are negatively charged. Why does a proton break down into net-negatively charged particles? I assume some weird quark shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Highlow@piefed.social -3 points 1 year ago I thought they were made from your mom's dingleberries permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago Neutron stars are made of neutrons in the same way that tapwater is made of water molecules: primarily, but not entirely permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Neutron stars have so high pressure that MOST but not all protons decay into neutrons plus electrons positrons (plus neutrinos) Edit: (see quote below) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not exactly well-read on particle physics, but to my understanding neutrons and neutrinos are neutrally charged and electrons are negatively charged. Why does a proton break down into net-negatively charged particles? I assume some weird quark shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) I'm not exactly well-read on particle physics, but to my understanding neutrons and neutrinos are neutrally charged and electrons are negatively charged. Why does a proton break down into net-negatively charged particles? I assume some weird quark shenanigans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://abc.lbl.gov/wallchart/chapters/03/2.html I got stuff mixed In beta minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an electron, and an antineutrino: n Æ p + e - +. In beta plus decay, a proton decays into a neutron, a positron, and a neutrino: p Æ n + e+ +n. Both reactions occur because in different regions of the Chart of the Nuclides, one or the other will move the product closer to the region of stability. These particular reactions take place because conservation laws are obeyed. Electric charge conservation requires that if an electrically neutral neutron becomes a positively charged proton, an electrically negative particle (in this case, an electron) must also be produced. Similarly, conservation of lepton number requires that if a neutron (lepton number = 0) decays into a proton (lepton number = 0) and an electron (lepton number = 1), a particle with a lepton number of -1 (in this case an antineutrino) must also be produced. The leptons emitted in beta decay did not exist in the nucleus before the decay–they are created at the instant of the decay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] erin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification! That all makes sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Highlow@piefed.social -3 points 1 year ago I thought they were made from your mom's dingleberries permalink fedilink source parent