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[–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Canonical wants to IPO with AI buzz shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    stt AIs and thing like this could be really good for accessibility, however, I doubt they think about that they wdo this for anything but buzzwords.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I actually think this is good as it is local and not cloud. I have wondered for years why this has not been implemented. I believe it might set a new standard as what should be included in a distribution. Just imagine how this can help old people that usually type slow. Yes, I want Jarvis as well. Just easy to install but not preinstalled.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Anything similiar being developed for Plasma?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    We had Microslop, now we have Slopuntu

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    [–] 86 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Offline-only speech-to-text, integrated with the desktop for push-to-talk voice typing? That's the kind of AI that I'd like to see. Actually add features that can help people without harming their rights. I'm still moving new machines to Debian but this is nice.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Also how is speech to text AI? It has existed for decades, obviously a lot better now but I don't think I'd consider it "AI"

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago*

    There's been ML and non-ML ways of doing STT over the years. as far as I recall. The current best implementations are ML-based. In coloquial terms ML algorithms are AI. We used to call them AI in the 2010s, before AI was (un)cool.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I have been using a speech-to-text AI system the last day, and I'm using a whisper large 3 turbo Voxstral Small (Mistral) and a rewording model that fixes the sentence but doesn't rewrite it, and it's almost perfect. I'm using European-hosted AI through cortecs.ai, and it's really cheap.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    Implicit optional features to use local LLMs for STT is something that I think most reasonable people could get behind. Too many accessibility tools for the disabled sit behind paywalls and subscription models.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    The framework split things into two groups, implicit AI that quietly improves what you already use and explicit AI that are features you'd actually summon on purpose.

    The very first paragraph already upsets me. Have in mind, I would criticize this on every other operating system too. I believe no one should use Ai tools that act autonomously in the background, to improve or change what you already use. It should always be a "summon on purpose".

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  • [–] 64 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Being real, this is why I fucking hate the bullshit, corporate greed hype of LLMs and generative software. All the "bubble" shit? It tars all versions of the technology with the same brush.

    This? This is exactly what it should be used for. And, ffs, earlier speech to text was really the same fucking thing in essence. Software that took input in the form of voice, compared it to a set of data, and made a best guess at what you meant. Yeah, the details are different, but it's the same concept.

    This? This is fucking awesome. Locally run, and doing a job that's vital in accessibility, with the side benefit of being useful to others. Assuming canonical is being honest anyway.

    But this kind of thing should be the way things are done.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    That's why we should not call everything AI

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    Even if we called them LLMs, which we should, people will keep having these negative connotations to the technology because of overmarketing. This feature is still using LLMs, and that's not supposed to be a bad thing.

    Stop blaming the technology, and blame the corpos pushing it to the moon. This is "BitTorrent is only used for piracy" bullshit all over again.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But it is AI, so it should be called that. People should adjust their simplistic notions about the term instead

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Nah, it isn't. Intelligence implies independence. What it is is a fancy algorithm with a big data set.

    It doesn't have to be general ai to be called ai, but so far none of the models I'm aware of have reached a standard to be called intelligence in the colloquial sense for sure

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    The term used in academic literature and the field itself for that kind of technology is and has been AI for at least ten years. Intelligence doesn't imply independence anyways? And besides, even if it did, thats why an entire 50% of the term consists of the modifier "artificial". So like, you're right that it isn't intelligence in the colloquial sense. It's artificial intelligence in the technical and standardized sense, though. The use of term is pretty much totally undebatable. Just because people don't like the term now doesn't change that.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    This would have been better received if they just didn't use AI in the name. Sure, it's just using an LLM under the hood, but it's running purely locally. It also betters Linux since it helps address an accessibility issue.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    I think Ubuntu is the Windows 11 of Linux distros.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Bit of a click baity title lol. If there’s one good use of AI, its probably accessibility.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    My grandma used to hate tech until she learned to use the voice assistance on her mobile phone. It unlocked the phone for her because she doesnt have the dexterity to type. I hope one day this tool could get to that same point.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Well fuck you too Canonical.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I'll just leave this here... https://debian.org/

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well they can listen to my voice when I say this:

    no thanks

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Out of curiosity would it be accurate to call this sort of technology generative ai, or just machine learning? Or it depends on the implementation?

    I feel like most of the anger around ai is because gen ai has a bunch of harmful baggage, and I'm curious if this is an example of gen ai having a productive use case, or an example of ai being more useful outside of gen ai specifically

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Based on their explanation, this is still using genAI. They talk about pre-processing the data and chunking it before it's sent to the inference model.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    That's just how LLMs read data, it could just be for a text search. The problem is where that data came from, if they're outputting text from it, if they're getting people to trust that output, and if they're getting kickbacks from Nvidia for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Based on what I read/saw and got out of it, I am real disappointed it looks like it's gonna be using genAI instead of another form of AI we've been using for transcription. Otherwise, sounds like trying to be a modern genAI version of that speech to text software I'd see ads for on TV. Possibly good for accessibility, but I'll wait and see after it comes out.

    At least they claim the whole thing to be done offline after model installation and it's allegedly sandboxed with the audio data being stored in a memory buffer that allegedly will be erased after the session. So I'll have to wait and see how this all plays out before making more judgments on it.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    Canonical can take its AI and walk into the sea

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (27 children)

    The "price" of a free offline speech to text AI model? Three of them, actually, to work with varying levels of compute resources available?

    You anti-AI folks are friggin' ridiculous.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I don’t think it’s anti-AI more a lack of trust of services saying here’s a product…and the concern it will be used for ulterior motives. I know I don’t like my voice being captured.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    What do you think are the ulterior motives behind this GPLv3 licensed app? I think the ulterior motive is getting better accessibility tools so it's easier to convince governments to use Ubuntu (and likely pay for extended support).

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I’m not sure but I’m done believing that tech enhancements pushed at me benefit me.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That response, especially given that this is something that's entirely offline and optional, is probably the closest we're going to get to you admitting that you just want to be negative about this rather than actually having a criticism of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I agree. I have spent years in tech. And I have worked trusted and advocated but in the last 5 years or so it’s changed. And I trust little of it. It’s not the tech, it’s the people it’s in the hands of. I am at the point of cynic now and I’ll stay on that side until I see otherwise. Is that wrong?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm just making it clear that you don't have any actual criticisms of this application and haven't addressed it when people point out that:

    • It's fully offline (so your "services" claim is false)
    • It's GPLv3 licensed (so we can audit and verify what it's doing)
    • This is an opt-in accessibility feature (so it's not being "pushed" on anyone)

    You're welcome to remain belligerent. I'm not here to change your mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's captured when you press a button and only handled locally. This is exactly the sort of thing you want for accessibility. Not everybody can type or type well.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I agree. It’s a great use. I just can’t trust any tech company now. Even if they mean well abuses happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

    Nothing AI is free. Unless there's a chain of custody for all of the training data, it's still unethical even if it's used for a good thing. If I build a wheelchair ramp out of the flesh and bones of orphans I'm still not a very good person. And there are non-AI ways to accomplish this that are just as good that would require almost comically less resources.

    This attitude is why Ubuntu, and only Ubuntu, recommends a minimum of 6 GB of Ram btw. You can run a full KDE system with onboard graphics and all the bells and whistles for less than 2 GB on other distros.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    If I build a wheelchair ramp out of the flesh and bones of orphans I’m still not a very good person.

    Comparing copyright, a bullshit concept that was designed only to protect the rich, to building with "the flesh and bones of orphans" is so extreme that it's not even worth arguing about.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Being pro-AI is the same as being pro-capitalist, and thus pro-orphan crushing machine.

    Having your work stolen so that a soulless faceless corporate entity can charge teenagers to recreate it at will and pretend they have any talent or capability whatsoever is pretty shitty, and defending it is anti-proletariat.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    You know you can use AI yourself too right? There's no need to be anti-AI when you can be anti-OpenAI/Anthropic/Google/etc.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Wow you mean I too can burn electricity while stealing artist's work so I can pretend to be an artist?! Wow mommy we can be homegrown douchebags these days!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You're projecting human faults to AI. Pretending to be an artist when you're just a prompter is a human fault. And there are plenty other applications which burn more electricity than a few AI prompts per day burn. "Stealing" artists' works doesn't matter because intellectual property is a meaningless concept.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Nothing AI is free. Unless there’s a chain of custody for all of the training data, it’s still unethical even if it’s used for a good thing.

    This is the weirdest sort of AI bullshit I keep coming across.

    And there are non-AI ways to accomplish this that are just as good that would require almost comically less resources.

    And... Where are they?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is the weirdest sort of AI bullshit I keep coming across.

    Hi this must be your first time on Earth in the last decade, every single AI company has been in or is currently in no less than ten dozen lawsuits over copyright infringement. It's so bad there's at least one website purpose built to track copyright infringement from AI companies..

    Without a specific chain of custody for every piece of training data going into the models, there is a default that the model cannot be trusted and is likely infringing on someone's copyright.

    To specify the 'nothing AI is free" part, LLMs are grossly computationally inefficient. Whether it's local or not.

    And… Where are they?

    Already installed on most distros.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    So where are the winning lawsuits of all that copyright infringement then?

    Already installed on most distros.

    And they are called... ?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Thomson Reuters v. Ross Intelligence

    Bartz v. Anthropic

    Kadrey v. Meta

    UMG v Udio

    Those are the settled ones so far. This is 4 years into AI existing. Lawsuits, especially copyright lawsuits, tend to take up to a decade in the US, because the US legal system is shit.

    Here's 118 currently in progress. Because AI is copyright infringement.

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    Thomson Reuters v. Ross Intelligence

    In February 2025, the court granted summary judgment that such copying was not fair use, emphasizing that the purpose of ROSS’s copying was to build a directly competing product

    Bartz v. Anthropic

    The court granted summary judgment for Anthropic that training LLMs on copyrighted materials is fair use.

    Kadrey v. Meta

    Judge Vince Chhabria denied plaintiffs’ motion for partial summary judgment on fair use and granted Meta’s cross-motion and granted Meta’s motion for partial summary judgment on the DMCA claim.

    UMG v Udio

    Settled - no judgement.

    Those are the settled ones so far. This is 4 years into AI existing. Lawsuits, especially copyright lawsuits, tend to take up to a decade in the US, because the US legal system is shit.

    Here’s 118 currently in progress. Because AI is copyright infringement.

    Having lawsuits is not winning lawsuits. The AI companies have been winning on fair use. Same as Google back in the 2000s when they were sued for for various search products (news, books, etc.).

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    Well "reasoned" argument there. You'll go far in MAGA.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    You want "reason"? AI is a jumped up chatbot with delusions of grandeur that jacks up energy prices, consumes a stupid amount of scare water and throttles the supply of computer parts just to tell people there are 5 Rs in strawberry and that they should kill themselves. Not to mention the outright theft of the works of authors, designers, and artists.

    FUCK. AI.

    And fuck you for comparing me to those shit dribbling twats in MAGA.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I admit I don't know the details, but the title makes it seem like there is a "product" there, by a "company", probably in it for the profit. And since there is a huge problem with datacenters as it is, why would we encourage more? Most of you AI enthousiasts are blindly walking us into a pit of regret.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I admit I don’t know the details, but the title makes it seem like there is a “product” there, by a “company”, probably in it for the profit.

    You don't know more than the details - you don't know anything about it.

    And since there is a huge problem with datacenters as it is, why would we encourage more? Most of you AI enthousiasts are blindly walking us into a pit of regret.

    Guess you'll want to research what "offline" means. I doubt you have any idea what any problems with datacenters are either given your.. we'll call it "knowledge" of the situation.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Come on.

    Offline-only is privacy-respecting. Accessibility is a noble goal.

    All in all, if there's an AI usecase that's as morally acceptable as it gets, it's this one.

    I get that it's Ubuntu of all people, but even Big Tech produces some ideas every now and then that FOSS lovers can get behind and democratize!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    God fuck them. They are hunting for hype and not making linux better for the masses

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHepKd38pr0

    One more step towards the discovery of what androids dream about.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago

    More AI stuff as usual, waiting to see demonstration how this will work

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