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[–] 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I just bought groceries at Kroger and at the self checkout they flagged me as a potential shoplifter for having my helmet in my basket

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  • [–] 67 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This right here. This right here is why I fucking hate when ppl dismiss surveillance and data collection, eg. "idc if they want to know i went to work and then Starbucks" etc..

    They absolutely make assumptions about us based on statistical analysis of the data they have and then the systems they control treat us based on those assumptions, however wrong. Dynamic pricing is now a thing because they know enough to target subgroups of their customer base to price gauge more efficiently.

    Information is power and people are extremely fucking cavalier about empowering the most exploitative and cruel ppl in society, business leaders.

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  • [–] 187 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    "What happened?" are you for real?

    Did you not read any newspaper, watch any news, or generally exist in society since 2016?

    First you decided to bazooka yourselves in the foot with the Brexit vote, then went through a revolving clown show of increasingly bizarre political sideshow pieces that pretended to be PM, before finally opting to negotiate an EU exist that was about as disastrous as it could've been for your economy.

    Add in the fact that the entire world has been turning to shit around you due to despotic leaders trying to rape their neighbours/the climate/populace/actual kids/everything joined by a cabal of evil billionaires who are gleefully destroying democracy and the world economy so they can go out in one final last hurrah of capitalism, and you have the audacity to ask "What happened?"?.

    I seriously can't with these "I don't do politics" idiots anymore.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'd say a good 50% of people are not paying attention to current events/politics, then 40% who follow somewhat but don't really understand as they lack the critical thinking skills necessary to actually process the information and end up parroting the talking points of their preferred media, and then finally 10% who realize just how fucked everything is.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's less than 10% because some of those that are able to comprehend what's happening are the ones who made it happen and/or are rooting for it like nothing else they've ever done. This is exactly what many want, them being on a high horse as many as possible never even getting the chance of dreaming of that position.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Eh at first glance I'd almost lump most of them in with that 40%, but I also have a hard time comprehending anyone of proper intelligence being that maniacal, so yeah I suppose you've got an excellent point. That said, most MAGAts I see in the real world are just on the bandwagon, heck most of the ones I meet can barely rub two brain cells together regarding politics to the point I have a small level of sympathy for just how stupid they are.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    i don't, stupid people are an anchor, frankly the bottom 20% should loss the ability to vote. BUUUUT!!

    They get UBI. (and nothing small, like 20-30K pegged to inflation or something, something BIG like that.)

    since they wont be represented in the voting spectrum any more, but they still are important for operation of the country and labor and frankly, we all know some dumb ass that we like or love. we wouldn't abandon them. but they don't posses critical thinking skill so they should get a dif societal task, acting as our strongest consumers or creatives, they could even save and start a business, remember a lot of business people aren't geniuses like engineers or scientists. we would totally be fine it we locked it to the bottom 20% (or whatever ratio would actually work, this is more of a generalization.) and i don't think we would get into any situation where that 20% lost voting rights would creep up, thanks to the new UBI anchor keeping the gov from having to pay more people, and the remaining 80% of people would be more likely to see though bullshit, especially now that the bottom 20% are disenfranchised from it. they won't peddle nonsense for these bad actors.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I could understand the idea in theory, but it could never be implemented in the real world without bias or manipulation. Look at the current administration, they'd simply deem anyone other than MAGA mentally incompetent to cement their power (like shoehorning TDS into the next DSM release). On top of which, the UBI you suggest would never be enough to actually live on or even be supplementary, further impoverishing those subject to it (see the current problems with SSI). Companies in lower income areas will simply raise prices since there is more money to be extracted.

    Realistically we need a drastic overhaul of American society that tips the scales back to the people, but at this point I dont know how that could be achieved since 20% will screech communism and vote against it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    no they don't live off it, ubi isn't something you live off of, you have a job with it as well. after all, society requires everyone to chip in for things to work, as the current brake down were all experiencing has shown what happen when people don't pay their fair share.

    and yes, bad acting partys that use and manipulate these people will throw a fit, if this were to happen even if we say reduced that threshold of exclusion to the bottom 10%, this is more what i meant about me generalizing, the idea is thta we shave off the bottom and pay them money in exchange for theyre vo-!!

    hay, how about this instead, what if we added an option to the ballets to get the UBI for a year OR choose who to vote instead of forcing people out.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    evil billionaires who are gleefully destroying democracy and the world economy so they can go out in one final last hurrah of capitalism

    They need to set the all time high scores list before they end the world. I'd say "/s" but honestly I think that may be what they're doing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    I seriously can’t with these “I don’t do politics” idiots anymore.

    This, its like when corps say there not evil they are amoral. Yah, you don't care whats going on around you.

    Your amoral = You have no morals = You are a bad person because you don't care what happen to the average man from your own actions or others.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    As someone who stole from the supermarket all the time in college, I just wanna say that the need is starting to foment in recent times for me. The social contract is growing cracks now that I can’t see retirement and financial stability in my late 30s.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I consider it a public service to steal from businesses that destroy local economies, engage in union breaking and lobby against basic human rights.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    They’re putting armed guards at supermarkets near me right now lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What value of groceries/items do you need to steal before they feel the need to use their weapons against you?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Jeez, how much did you steal for this to make business sense for the supermarket?

    However much, you need to double that amount so they can afford to hire a second security guard.

    Soon, we will all be employed at the supermarket. That's when we turn around and point two fingers at their eyes and then at our own and say "we are the supermarket now".

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    you keep making bad decisions and your politicians exacerbate them

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    So it’s not just us, billionaires are bleeding everyone to death, globally.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Half (proverbially) of the UK is owned by US capital

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Stay inside and avoid their territory?

    Absolutely fucking not. This is our planet, not theirs. Billionaires are an invasive species.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    People have become so poor that the people blocking them from food have chosen to forfeit their lives.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Remember, folks: if you saw someone shoplift food? No. You didn't.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Now imagine every tenth customer starts stealing.

    Now the company has to increase prices to compensate for the loss of profits. We all start paying for the shoplifters, ridiculous, right?

    But who are we really protecting by paying more, though? The shoplifters or the company? Who's REALLY the parasite here? The rich company or the person forced to steal?

    EDIT because I might've not made my point clear - if we eliminate the company and replace it with public services, there would be noone to take profit and thus no need to hike the prices.

    Privatization is evil. The idea of profit is parasitic.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    This statement is something that I dont understand. While yeah, if that would happen to a big store, it might be alright but if I ran a corner store, I wouldnt be okay with this.

    Also people who steal food here are gypsies and narcs. Normal people with financial difficulties get their goods from government, food shelters, churches and other help associations.

    Now, I've been fucking dirt poor, I've gone sleep hungry, I've had to walk to every place instead of taking public transit. Still I've never thought about stealing food.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This statement is something that I dont understand

    I’ll try to help fam. The hungry deserve to eat and they have the moral high ground over the ownership class that would rather that person starve and the food they stole destroyed.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Could you present a weaker strawman if you tried?

    You aint solving hunger by stealing ribeyes crabs and lobsters.

    Normal people that struggle financially seek help from the government, they go to food banks, there is help to get without having to resort to stealing.

    You don't just wake up one morning and all of a sudden have to steal to survive. This isn't the US. (The hint is in the £ sign)

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Because drug addicts are famously affluent and gypsies don't need food at all. Also capitalism is widely known for taking care of the people in need and no one ever goes hungry or homeless unless they want to.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    For Christ's sake boys, we're stealing fuckin meat

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Nobody should have to pay for food ever.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Absolutely agreed, but steaks?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    If you think the rich should be able to choose how the poor eat I would counter that the poor should choose whether the rich eat at all.

    Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    They've been doing this for the last 15 years, people steal them and sell them in pubs. Premium steaks are not feeding world hunger.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    But also the beef and cattle industry has been quietly and carefully raising the price of beef, and especially steak, ever since the pandemic and hoping no one would call them out for their blatant price gouging.

    Part of this has been framed as "steak is a luxury item and so we can price it out of the reach of the poor". Pair that with government programs silently removing steak as a buyable item on food stamp and public food programs.

    Meanwhile the cattle industry has been posting all time record high profits for the last 5 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How much can someone reasonably make from doing this? I feel like it would still end up being around minimum wage, if not under.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)
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    Exactly! You don't. Your comment seems to imply that they are either getting disproportionately high income from reselling premium steaks (i.e. "not feeding world hunger" = only one person benefits from a large sum of money), or that that the income is very low (i.e. "not feeding world hunger" = you're not making enough money to feed yourself), but the latter doesn't make sense because any positive non-zero amount of money will get you more food than zero money. I don't know if I'm missing another interpretation.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Crime is so low they forgot what they tags are supposed to be used for!

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    Apparently Ben Graham, the one who tweeted this, is a Reform supporter so, obviously not a valid voice

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    $10 bucks says they wanted to bring this topic to immigrants.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I saw an old guy putting cans of Klik in his haversack. Then I saw him put a bag of carrots in as well. He also grabbed an 8-pack of double-A batteries and that's when I turned him in. /s

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Steaks have always been a shoplifters choice. They're expensive, fit in your pants, drug dealers will take them

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    When working people finally start acting like rich ppl.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I was going to say they could use like a pocket knife to cut it off, but then I realized where this was.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Looks to me like it would be easy to rip off with bare hands. I can't tell if its the Styrofoam backer we use here in the us or if its cardboard, maybe plastic? Still probably flimsy enough to just rip.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Maybe 7.25 steaks?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    meat is heavily stolen in alot of chains too.

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    £7.25 is super expensive, I'd never buy a steak for more than £5 and even then I don't buy them usually.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    It's never bread or carrots that get a security tag. Always the luxury products...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Must be food stealing immigrants /s.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think people are stealing the steaks for their nutritional value, so that is still not the right framing.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If you're going to steal food why not steal something enjoyable?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    If you're going to steal anything, steal the highest value things you can get away with so you can sell them to buy more of what you actually need.

    I'm not saying it never happens obviously

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I mean it's 7.25 pounds of steak, thats a lot for a barbecue!

    Do brits have barbecue, or was that eradicated after their war on flavors?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    In many other countries people are much poorer and don't end up stealing steaks from supermarkets. The issue is not finance but collapse of societal trust and Britain for once feels what they've been committing around the world for centuries.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    On the other hand maybe meat is an extreme, unsustainable privilege that's inherently based on torturing/murdering animals and destroying the planet.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago*

    This reeks of privlidge when poople complain that they can't have their wagoo steak.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Or, it is another obvious reason

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