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[–] 103 points 5 months ago (6 children)

A million seconds is ~11 days. A billion seconds is ~32 years. A trillion seconds is 31,689 years.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Being a CEO mist be the easiest fuxking job in the world. This fucker has the time to work 5 of those jobs and can still be "a top ranked player" in multiple video games!

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  • [–] 93 points 5 months ago

    They see the problem. They're getting paid to ignore it.

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  • [+] 27 points 5 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    citizen. yeah, no. i’m not calling that fuckknob a citizen. citizens contribute and participate in society.

    fuck elon musk. fuck xai.

    build the water treatment plant you promised the people of memphis.

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's okay, it's all unrealized gains so he can't do anything with it except to use it as a collateral, oh and especially NOT pay taxes.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly this. It's Schrödinger's money.

    Worth nothing so it can't be taxed and worth billions so it can be used as collateral to take out tax-free loans from the bank.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Upside is if the stock crashes the banks get to harvest his organs or something. Don't think anybody has been stupid enough to use stock collateral loans as one of their primary money source before, unless someone who threw themselves out a window during the stock market crash leading up to the great depression did so.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Another upsetting thing about this is Elon is just the first of many more trillionaires to come.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Not if we can summon the political will to tax them out of existence altogether.

    But who am I kidding? The oligarchs in control are just waiting for their turn to be trillionaires themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    It won't be a huge number, though. Capitalism still works to consolidate wealth. While there never has been any private individual with that much wealth before in human history, that kind of wealth is not unprecedented. The main reason is that people with that kind of wealth have historically been emperors. And make no mistake, anyone with that kind of wealth carries with them the threat of becoming an emperor. After someone becomes an emperor or a dictator, they gain absolute control over the GDP of whatever they control. But even now, Musk's wealth is not even 1% of the world's GDP. Someone like Augustus Caesar would have had several times more wealth, and direct control over something like 25% of the world's GDP. Musk having this much wealth is disgusting - nobody should even be a billionaire. But, at the same time, in the grand scheme of things, he will be nothing more than a footnote in history. He has never done anything actually memorable. People only know him now because he's a cunt with a lot of power. But power fades, and the world has had countless cunts. In the end, he's not anyone special. In 100 years, the average person will likely have no clue who he was. Nor will they care.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    His companies operate at a loss. How is this guy a trillionare? Not in my view.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's not one man. It's one fascist.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Catch-22.

    If he weren't a fascist, he wouldn't be a trillionaire.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    True, but I think it's the other way round. He's a fascist because he's obscenely wealthy. When you have that much power, empathy dies. It's a downward spiral of negative feedback actually, the more power, the less empathy, the greater the lust for power and the more unscrupulous you can be, and so on.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Whatever country he dies in gets to keep the money that’s just science

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    We need to take it all and redistribute it.

    He’s so good at the game he’ll surely have no problem winning again.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Its fugazi, this money isn't real, the worth is made up and expeculated.

    The eventual implosion of the American is going to be crazy, I've never heard any American politician even say the word austerity, they'll be eating each other.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Ah yes, uNrEaLiSeD gAiNs.

    Simultaneously worth nothing so it can't be taxed and worth billions so it can be used as collateral to take out tax-free loans from the bank.

    Ever the paradox that one.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    It's still fascism, so what you are describing is just Soylent Green but the citizens have the full freedom™ to chose any colour Soylent Green they want. #free

    (Also they have austerity, it's just too big of a word to use publicly, but systemic cutting of programmes that don't transfer public wealth to a few private pockets has been going on for 50 years now. The talk is the same as "austerity" in eg British politics - gutting the funds for the lazy bastards in healthcare, education, transport, etc ... but not warcrime industry or the factory of tax cuts for the rich.)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    Well, no money is real. It’s all just a made up value a bunch of people nod their heads to.

    And unfortunately, it looks like the country is going to go on believing Musk’s valuation, right into a cyberpunk corporate dystopia.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    People growing up now is groomed by the system to not think, only consume! AI was the latest "do not think yourself, do not use your brain" implementation. Make the masses brain dead sheep that is easy to control.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    The only problem they see is that he's not paying lobbying them enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What are thé 19 countries?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I assume they mean gdp so here's the list for countries and here's the list with some states mixed in for fun:

    1. United States — $31.8T
    2. China — $20.7T
    3. Germany — $5.3T
    4. India — $4.5T
    5. Japan — $4.5T
    6. United Kingdom — $4.2T

    (California — ~$4.1T)

    1. France — $3.6T
    2. Italy — $2.7T

    (Texas — ~$2.6T)

    1. Russia — $2.5T
    2. Canada — $2.4T
    3. Brazil — $2.3T

    (New York — ~$2.3T)

    1. Spain — $2.0T
    2. Mexico — $2.0T
    3. Australia — $1.9T
    4. South Korea — $1.9T

    (Florida — ~$1.7T)

    1. Turkey — $1.6T
    2. Indonesia — $1.6T
    3. Netherlands — $1.4T
    4. Saudi Arabia — $1.3T

    (Illinois — ~$1.2T)

    1. Poland — $1.1T
    2. Switzerland — $1.1T

    (Pennsylvania — ~$1.1–1.2T)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm taking a class on systems rn and we're learning a lot of very basic level concepts that also have some overlap with business and economics. I don't hold a degree in economics like mr. musk, but learning the little I have about systems has really made me question just wtf wealth hoarders (most of whom seem to be much more familiar with systems thinking) envision for the future?

    The idea of systems balancing or collapsing seems to be fundamental to ALL systems. So even if the goal is to collapse this one, and that's why they don't really care/maybe are trying to ensure it's as unbalanced as possible, what happens in the next system that emerges as a result of their success?

    I really can't buy they suddenly no longer feel the compulsive need to hoard resources because they're motivated to preserve their own system.

    Has a chat bot convinced them there's a special loophole and the rules that apply to every other system don't apply to theirs?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Why would they be upset by the idea of a trillionaire making campaign donations?

    All they need to do is pledge allegiance!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    How about those stocks get divvied up amongst the workers and converted to multi stakeholder cooperatives where they all then have a vote to remove the Elon? While we're at it why not do that to every "publicly" owned company?

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  • [+] -18 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I see we are mixing up wealth and income again.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago*

    Ok, depending on how you measure capital gains as income he's still making more than half the countries on earth (~$50b, eg. Estonia) this year, if not from only today with the 20% gain on the IPO price for SpaceX.

    Once it's all said and done this year he will have "made" well into the hundreds of billions putting him probably in the top 50 countries.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I see you enjoy the taste of boot

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)