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[–] 61 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yes, I think it will grow organically, and often in bursts when Reddit does something particularly publicly stupid or frustrating. We've seen this before, we'll see it again. I don't know if we'll ever see a mass exodus. I don't know if this will ever "replace" Reddit per se. Obviously it has for me, but on a whole, I think it will continue to be a niche community, and I'm fine with that. There are good people here, my kind of people, and I like it for what it is, not for what it could become. I really don't need the tiktok-memelord-masses and the teenagers and the onlyfans trolls in my life. I think they'll find their own places to congregate and feed off each other, and I don't think it will ever be here, no matter how shitty reddit and tiktok and whatever other dumb apps they use become.

I don't want the Fediverse to be massively exclusive but it doesn't need to be massively inclusive either. Its nature means it can be inclusive, and I welcome any community who really feels like they belong here. But I'm realistic about who is actually going to feel included here, and I don't think we need to go out of our way to "attract" more users, we just need to do enough that the people who want this sort of thing, can find it.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'd go back to the actually good reddit days, oh wait were there right now on lemmy

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I find the quality of discussion sadly lower than Reddit. Back therrthere you often got really thoughtful and interesting responses to posts, and indeed they were frequently more interesting than the posts themselves. Here, the quality is really poor, in general

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    It's nice to have an option that isn't one of the corporate overlords. I want it to be successful, but I also don't want it to be mainstream, because that brings mainstream level problems too.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Some will, but if they haven't left yet I don't see why they would. We'll continue to get stragglers that get banned from reddit.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Lemmy can't grow niche communities without significantly larger number of users.

    Lots of users will not replace Reddit with Lemmy without access to the niche subreddits they're active in.

    Personally, I still use Reddit for niche communities that just aren't present on Lemmy.

    Although, if they ever shut down RedReader's API access that would force my hand, as the official app is unusable IMO.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I use Narwhal 2 for now. $5 a month is a small price to pay for the largest aggregation of information outside of Wikipedia.

    Once they force the proprietary app on me I’ll likely be out. It’s a bloated cartoonish app.

    I like Lemmy a lot but like people are saying it needs more users. I try and post my own content to practice what I preach.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I just did.

    So far really enjoying.

    Reddit i really changed... forcing the app

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Of all the reddit replacements, Lemmy has the most staying power because of its federated nature. It's not dependent on a single source of administration or funding. Voat, for example, went to shit because it ended up full of Nazis that got ran off of reddit and then they ran out of money. While this same fate could potentially befall any individual Lemmy instance, the platform as a whole can react and continue.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I hope so. It's a more open platform and in some ways the interface is better (but as with most of fediverse tools it requires a wee tiny bit of learning to undo the programming of using proprietary webpages).

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I see this stated often but I switched to lemmy over a year ago and I've literally never had to use any sort of programming. The only thing that took me a minute was learning what's up with separate instances, but even then, if people want to just stick with one it's not the end of the world.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    They are moving very slowly, which is a good thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The Facebook population won't, but all the cool people who made 2014esque Reddit good will or already has. Lemmy will never be the front page of the internet.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It depends.

    If we're lucky and lemmy is more of less left to its own devices then we'll probably get a few more users as Reddit keeps getting more and more awful.

    If we're not lucky then either Reddit or Meta will decide that lemmy needs to be somehow incorporated into their services wether we like it or not and we'll be inundated with a deluge of the worst possible kinds of users. Spam bots, trolls, scammers, people trying to use it for their crappy MLM schemes etc.

    Only time will tell!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    I think more of them will just quit using reddit and not come here either.

    When you want to sign up for lemmy, there are questions and questions are friction. That feels easy for us because obviously we did it, we picked an instance, we got our approvals, we're here, but I've seen it firsthand trying to get people to use lemmy and for a lot of types of people that you would want for establishing more variety in communities, that initial friction is more than enough to drive them away.

    Reddit doesn't even make you pick a username, they've gone almost as far as you could with making account creation frictionless. If we want to stay in our echo chamber with everyone who thinks that's not a big deal then someone else who solves that friction is probably going to eventually be the real reddit replacement. Seriously y'all, know it's been awhile, but people were picking discord as an alternative to reddit to move to instead of lemmy during the apicalypse and they barely even compare.

    With all that said though, giving up the idea of Lemmy being a major competitive platform is not the worst thing in the world.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Probably not materially faster than they leave - over the long run.

    This first graph is mostly dominated by mastodon obviously we don't know who did or did not use reddit previously, but its a general pattern. https://fediverse.observer/stats&months=96

    Similar pattern in monthly active users for lemmy specifically. https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats&months=96

    I don't know about newer versions like pieface or whatever - but since the total fedi population is fairly stable any specific software is probably mostly shuffling the same people around.

    Though maybe the dataset doesn't crawl stats for newer ones, I don't really know - but it feels pretty stable population with inflows and outflows more or less matching.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Reddit actively removes posts mentioning lemmy. And google specifically pushes posts from reddit. It’s gonna be an uphill battle but slow and steady will win the race. the more valuable content that gets posted here the stronger lemmy gets. One thing hurting is a good native app for lemmy.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I would like to see more niche communities here. That's tthe only reason I still visit reddit. I do not know whether more reddit users will find their way here, but I sure do hope that their niche communities will migrate with them.

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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I come across many users less than 3 months old, and they tend to introduce themselves occasionally on !reddit@lemmy.world.

    It's fine if they come over a little at a time or in large waves or even if they don't. I do worry about sometimes there are periods where discussion feels a little more toxic, bandwagoney and rigid, and others where people allow themselves to be a little more nuanced when discussing with each other. I like this site more when the latter is happening. Maybe new users need a little time settling down into a slightly different culture which is normal and expected.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    More? Yes. All? Probably not. Time will tell but I think the internet will fragment again, at least to some degree. It wasn't healthy to have it all consolidated around a few mega-sites.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Given the out of control censorship and normative thought dogpiling that continually occurs over there, we can only hope more and more users leave reddit. It is now known as one of the most censored websites. Now combine that with all the paid posters and bot content, and it's a recipe for little user reward.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I sure hope so, and yes it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Nah. Lemmy/fediverse will evolve and then that will become the thing. Tech literacy is going down, so something either has to drive it back up, or people are gonna need a lazier solution.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    If they come, it will be a trickle. There isn't that much left for Reddit to do which would significantly harm the user base as a whole to force a migration. At best, one sub might get banned and come to Lemmy as a way to continue. Whether that community will be accepted by the current Lemmy federation is up in the air.

    Regarding future growth, Lemmy isn't ready for it. The moderation and admin tools need work if the platform were to 10x, let alone see greater growth. I expect if that growth were to happen, federation would fracture further. You would also see some Reddit items come here as a way to moderate like becoming more dependent on a karma score and requiring more for signing up.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yes and yes.

    It'll happen repeatedly.

    It'll be a good thing and it will be a bad thing.

    Growth brings more content and communities but there's a point where popularity can start to hurt the quality or authenticity of the communities.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Doubt it. Maybe a few but nothing huge

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yes, especially right now. Reddit is revoking API keys that made third party reddit apps work. And the reddit app sucks, switching to that is a lot of friction so the friction of switching to Lemmy will be smaller

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I just joined. I was a lurker and effectively banned. Honestly wish I would have done it sooner!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I think it'll remain niche, but it'll slowly grow in popularity

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I actually don't think they will, they'll go for an alternative that has a big ass marketing budget and backed by a large corporation next.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    +1

    Rage-bait drowning niche communities is poison to the Fediverse (and the graveyard of alternatives before it).

    Also, information hygiene here is terrible. No mods seem to care.

    And I just saw someone thinking Lemmy has an “algorithm,” asking why it hasn’t “figured out” to deprioritize furry posts from their scrolling feed yet. I bet they’re in the 99th percentile of the population in tech fluency, yet the way Lemmy works is completely alien to them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't want them to. Reddit refugees have already long trashed Lemmy and they've been working around trashing other parts of the fediverse, proving that Reddit doesn't exist for any good purpose.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I certainly hope so. I hope eventually federated discussion groups become the default way for the general public to communicate about any topic that interests them.

    But with how governments around the world are going after the Internet, especially the parts of it that aren't profitable… I just hope some good parts of it survive at all. :(

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think a majority have already left and 80% of the content is just bots making posts about some shit posted earlier and copying the top comments.

    It makes it look way more active than it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Foreign communities are pretty active. India tech trade subs and memes. It's basically that and a portion of the OF complex that are still humans, just on principle of those being heinously active compared to everywhere else

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yes but only very slowly, i think the vast majority of those who were ever going to move did so already. What remains are people who just didn't know lemmy exists or who are generally slow to change.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Hopefully. It'll be both good an bad. Do the majority of people know it exists? Or was it just me living under a rock until a few weeks ago 😂?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    M orons

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    G onna

    A rrive!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Not by a large amount probably by a bluesky like reddit at some point that some will move to instead unfortunately.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago