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Ottawa moves to restrict social media for kids under 16 (www.cbc.ca)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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[–] 13 points 5 months ago

@Reannlegge it's victim blaming. The big tech he refused to tax is the one committing the crime. Not the teenagers and by extension every Canadian.

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    @Reannlegge No, Carney moves to deep mass surveillance of all adults while pretending its about "the children"We made a mistake, Carney is a trick, a subterfuge, a subversion.#cdnpoli #lpc #carney

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    Would you mind expanding on why it's mass surveillance and of no benefit to children? Like they're pretending it's to protect kids and getting what from us exactly?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There are very good explanations out there but the short of it is: every major internet service is now going to be connected to either your official piece of government ID, or a high resolution, well lit image of your face. Kids work around it but its a mass surveillance wet dream.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't get it.

    99% of people who are online, the government already knows who you are and what you look like? What part of providing an ID gives "them" any more information than they already have?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    for the government to tie any traffic directly to an individual would require data from your service provider, which they generally don’t provide without some kind of legal reason.

    fwiu this system would essentially make everything you view and do on the internet freely snoopable without any sort of legal order or reason. your traffic is always tied to your name or face, and you lose the layer of pseudo-anonymity from your ISP.

    potential real-world consequence, you could be more easily sued by a production or broadcast company for piracy! right now if i torrent the right movie (without a proxy), i’ll get a letter from my ISP explaining that 20th century fox is asking them for my name and address so they can sue me. but the ISP won’t give the info without a legal order, and fox can’t sue anyone without the info.

    so if this change happened, you’d have to hope your government decides to treat you more favorably than myriad other billion dollar companies and corporations. historically these are bad odds.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    What the politicians get: A smug feeling of satisfaction, having done something they were told was good.

    What the children get: Anxiety, incentive to cheat the system and to keep their Internet use secret from parents, a new reason to feel that the world is unfair to them.

    What the budding "age verification" industry gets: Amazing new business opportunities.

    What Facebook gets: A regulatory barrier to entry high enough to keep out any competition from some hypothetical new form of social media that would respect its users, since that is now illegal.

    What spies and hackers get: Amazing new opportunities to steal everyone's personal data.

    What those of us too stubborn to ever submit to "age verification" get: We'll be unable to use regulated social media and will have to make do with the Fediverse, possibly moving to instances hosted in whatever distant corner of the world still allows free use of communications media.

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    • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I'm really curious how this will affect the fediverse. Will lemmy.ca need to add age gating? :/

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I really do not think the fediverse is what they are thinking of when they say traditional, or whatever word they used, when they thought of this. I think the closest they will come to the fediverse is Blusky.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-34/first-reading

    According to the full text, there's no such consideration regarding "traditional" the only thing that I can see that qualifies a "social media" service as "regulated" is the number of users, and that's apparently TBD by some yet to be appointed council.

    Fediverse will be hard to enforce compliance, so I don't know what they'll do to try and force age gating on us.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    We will have to see because, like every other technological block in life the kids will find away around it before the adults do.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If only the people writing these bills were as sensible as you. Unfortunately these people believe age gating works. All it'll do is require more personal data to be tracked everywhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I may by too cynical now, but I doubt the authors give a shit that kids will work around it. They are scratching the back of someone and they are getting what they want.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    There's a clip in the CBC article linked in this post, the minister that tabled this bill was asked about age verification's effectiveness and kids getting around it in Australia.

    The response was basically: Just because it doesn't work, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.. It's a brain dead take.

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    • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    Like everyone else I haven't seen the text yet but from everything that's been said about it I guess it's yet more evidence that the same gang of idiots who led Trudeau astray have found Carney and his crew just as easy to manipulate.

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