Technology as a religion strikes again.
We can't possibly solve this problem the human way, with parent and children awareness and communication.
No, we must solve it with tech. Every problem must be solved with tech !
What a sad world.
Technology as a religion strikes again.
We can't possibly solve this problem the human way, with parent and children awareness and communication.
No, we must solve it with tech. Every problem must be solved with tech !
What a sad world.
There is a nice german word for such thinking. It's "Vollkasko-mentalität" - Vollkasko is car insurance which covers everything + mentality.
I also find it funny that any existing smartphones have to work in this system too. I'd like to see the performance of any filter technology on an Android 4 based device that hasn't seen an update or an replacement battery for decades. And what about feature phones?
I'd say let them catapult themselves back into analog times, it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.
If Apple and Google are sending kids nude images, then their parents are showing them porn by giving them phones.
Let me guess, the solution is age verification for everyone?
because it's not about the kids, it's never been about the kids. It's about collecting/harvesting user data, IDs, and tracking said user.
Age verification for social media isn't working. why? because people will simply just stop using it. now porn? well they figure everyone gets horny and loves porn so it's the next best bet to continue to try and collect said data.
We all know the EASIEST solution to this issue, it's like you set, parental controls. it's always been the easiest solution. always. but THAT doesn't collect a users data.
Look i'll be honest if all these governments and companies just straight up came out and said "ok, we lied, it's not about the kids we just want your data. that's it. we want it so we can track it and sell it. we need the easy money." I'd slightly respect them more for it.
Seriously how about this "you allow us to collect and sell your data and we'll give you a tax break or a cut of the profits from selling it. we'll make this an opt in thing" just do that. just be god damn honest.
Easy, just send every parent who gives a minor a phone to prison. Problem solved!
The end result is further controlling people and surveilling them. Privacy is being murdered in record time.
Soon every person will have a mandatory telescreen in their pocket, linked to their facial recognition in a Palantir run 'government' database.
Over reach dressed up as protection for children.
I don't have kids myself so can't say I understand how prevalent this problem is, but I can imagine it's not as big of a problem as what politicians are making out. Certainly not big enough that this can be the answer, even if this legitimately required a solution, such a solution would surely be a last resort.
Easiest solution is awarness. Teach the parents how to monitor their children and how to use parental control. They can offer classes for this.
On iOS parental controls let you choose to manage the child’s contacts. So they can only communicate with anyone you put in there. You can also block communication in apps. You can also block unapproved websites or let Apple block the ones in its list. You can set age restrictions on everything. You can be pretty heavy-handed if you want to. You can also buy the kid a dumb phone.
He may as well be saying that he needs to put cameras in every car to verify that kids are wearing seatbelts if they’re in the car. That would likely reduce more harm than this, but it’s also more obvious what the problem is.
Starmer's labour government has been an absolute shit show. Fuck the child safety act.
fuck the chi-
Oh no OH NOOO
Wasn't it a Tory policy that Labour adopted? Either way, absolutely awful and really does illustrate how little difference there between the major parties.
I wonder what would happen if those companies simply told the UK government it wasn't possible, and withdrew from the market?
"We will change the law" means they haven't changed it yet. And this PM is so god damn popular in his own party, they are just trying to get his possible replacement in in an otherwise unnecessary byelection. This sounds decisive but isn't a fait accompli by any stretch of the imagination. The tech big guns will sound amenable to such a policy but will do fuck all.
Surveillance is not security. When fully formed Surveillance is slavery.
Fucking hell, can we get an age and qualification limit on politicians already?
What’s more likely, the prime minister is a clueless idiot who keeps making blunder after blunder and is too stupid to even consider asking for advice from experts in the field, or he’s paid by terrorists?
My partner sent me some dirties and the new iphone asked her if she was sure.
Creepy shit.
Yeah bro we're totally just scanning everything you send just on the off chance that a child (even though you have none and don't know any) are takes your phone and uses it to send a dick pic haha no bro don't worry it's for their safety haha
And, because Apple cares about us, they can create the Personal Pictures Privacy Pro subscription. A plan where any compromising images are kept out of public dark web Facebook groups, for the low price of $29.95 per month.
Disclaimer: Privacy and security applied by your Personal Pictures Privacy Pro plan will be generated by mid-tier cost effective AI, which itself was trained on the work of the most affordable people who told us they were privacy and security experts.
I estimate about 3 months until an inevitable data breach where it turns out they actually keep copies of all of the images because of course they will.
Just allow parents to disable their child’s camera, simple?
Actually, yeah. That offloads the responsibility to the parents. I think that solution actually works...
He knows this is impossible lol
Politicians are usually completely fucking clueless about the nuances of technology, but there’s something in the water in the UK that seems to make their pols reach for the stars in that regard.
Make it illegal for their parents to give them phones and computing devices that can send and receive pictures. Problem solves.
No but seriously education for both parents and children. Because while I do believe these companies play their role in how children interact online and what they interact with, I don't believe they're going to be able to stop anyone from sending something or receiving something they want to send without invasive and possibly traumatic tactics that will effect people regardless of age group.
I’m not sure if I agree with this take. To me, it is similar to saying we shouldn’t give kids free lunches, cause it’s the parents responsibility to feed their kid.
Like yeah, parents should be feeding their kid. But it’s also unreasonable to think that every single parent is doing that. It’s just not realistic, so we should definitely be feeding kids when they aren’t getting it at home.
On the same token, I don’t see anything wrong with trying to protect kids from talking with strangers, or getting sent explicit material, when their parents don’t know or care how to do it themselves.
then enforce child predator laws. or rape laws in general. thats a REAL rabbit hole that will disgust any normal person. the problem is that nobody wants to deal with the actual problem so they outsource it to privacy nightmares like what we are seeing now
I mostly agree with everything you say, except for one thing.
I’m pretty sure it’s technically possible to detect nude images, on device, 100% securely, without anyone ever knowing it was detected. This probably isn’t the approach that some corporations will take, but as far as I am aware, this is how the current nude detection on iPhone works. It’s all on device, and just blurs it so the user has to accept a warning before seeing the content. If you control your phone, you can disable it. If it’s a phone setup for a child, the child cannot disable it. It’s up to the parent to specify what the child is allowed to do.
He's just Starmer alright. We have no control over him he just does stuff.
It's clear they haven't consulted anyone over this. All they did was told it was impossible and ignored them as per.
It would be so fun if Apple and Google decided they'd rather not have business in England anymore
It actually shows that the government have no understanding of the technology or the culture because no one's communicating with potential paedophiles via iMessage does Google even have a messaging app anymore?
Obviously protecting children must always be a priority, the issue with this is, is that tech companies will understandably go for the easier option: force age verification system wide, without it, the OS might be extremely limited, and this opens a whole new can of worms IMO.
Obviously protecting children must always be a priority
No it really doesn't have to always be. Protecting children should be balanced against harm to the rest of society. The vast majority of children will thankfully go on to live far more as non-children.
And collect data on everyone including children while pointing to the law and saying that have to which enriches them more and more as time goes on.
They aren't even going to fight it. The like the idea of being able to gather more information on people. They'll say "it's just to make sure they aren't of age yet so we can keep them safe until we can legally show them ads and stuff that they're no longer protected from". They aren't fighting against laws like this. They're lobbying for them.
And it will only cost everyone all their privacy, right? Fucking fascists.
Not that it's a good thing but don't either of these companies have enough leverage to refuse with practically zero consequences?
4chan didn't care because of the absurd logic and they still haven't been blocked because they know it would be stupid to do so.
Nah. They haven't been blocked because the entire site is based on anonymity and the whole of their business operations don't involve the country in question.
How do you moderate a site when most of the user base are anonymous and don't sign up for accounts? There's nothing to link them back to. How do you prove a child sent anything or received anything with no account? How do you build a paper trail that would support the case against 4chan?
@deliriousdreamsmoderate them by banning IPs, banning posts with VPNs, Tor and residential proxies from posting. I guess you cant prove a child sent anything if they never imply their age in any post, they just have to never slip up. I dont know if you need a paper trail against a website that just refuses to comply with laws. i dont know how UK laws work though. it is suprising 4chan isnt banned yet@themachinestops @mlg
Google actually already has a system to automatically detect and filter incoming nude pictures. It allows apps to blur then and you can then opt to view them. It's a separate application and uses locally running machine learning.
I can't remember the name of it and if it's just on Pixels, nor what applications it works with. Might just be for their own messaging apps or it might be more deeply integrated. If anyone is curious I'll try to look it up after work.
The point is they already have something similar to this they could maybe leverage.
Do they actually know how the technology works? They will have to scan everything inbound and outbound connections, basically managed devices.
OP do you know how technology works? Apple and google already do this to a degree. We've seen people get reported to the police for taking pictures of their own kids nude because photos are scanned on upload to icloud or google's photos. This isnt new its an expansion of existing norms
Dude everyone is aware that Google scans google drive, it is not your own cloud naturally they can do what they want with it. If you store your data on someone else's server naturally they can see what you store. We are taking about devices you own with android and ios this is completely different.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-plans-to-stop-children-taking-sharing-or-viewing-nude-images Britain will become the first country in the world where it is impossible for children to take, share or view naked pictures on their devices.
Apple already has the capability to alert parents if a nude photo is detected. They do this detection on-device.
Only for apple apps, it doesn't scan the entire device.
Messages, FaceTime, and AirDrop
Google has something similar I believe for Google Messages
Also they have to verify if the person using the device is a child if they want to implement this on the entire device.
We are taking about devices you own with android and ios this is completely different.
How is it different you have absolutely no idea how this will be implemented. Currently IOS and Android default to cloud storage and we know how many users stray away from the defaults. Both devices already check your photos against the CSAM database and scan your local photos so you can search via tags like "cat" and it shows all cat photos. Who knows, it may be local AI and completely private.
I do agree that most people probably don't change the defaults, but I believe that apple stopped the scan for CSAM years ago on iCloud.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/08/tech/apple-csam-tool
Also you forgot to account for apps like Signal which store the photos encrypted in their own database.
This is not as simple as scanned photos, currently apple for example can do this locally on their own apps. The problem is apps like signal.
How much he gives to his own citizens human trafficking kids from albania?
wouldnt it be so funny if polaroid cameras made a huge comeback? i already fight the urge to buy one when i see shit like this
Sure, give them 3 months to finish posting child diddy images, instead of idk, NOW. A week or two max, followed by forced liquidation.
Living up to your username at least.
Heck they need 3 months to stop committing crimes? If I went murdering people, they would not give me 3 months to stop, they would hunt me down like a dog.
Though tbf "underage people sharing nudes with each other on snapchat and looking at porn" doesn't necessarily mean you have to kill the children immediately, you can give them some time.
Besides, it's "you have three months to create and implement code that tracks the ages of all your users and all activity across all apps for the ones under 18, and then use that to stop their cameras from working when nudity detected, and stop their messaging services when nudity detected, and stop their internet when pornography detected." I don't think we need the follow up "lethal force engaged" just yet, but you never know they may start blowing up computers like Mossad's pagers when a kid googles "boobies" soon enough.
I mean, I said Liquidate the company. What can you do, teens can be teens, it's kind of like animals breeding. You are not supposed to breed the animals yourself. Also, they might hurt each other, so you should at least try to avoid situations where they will, or get them protection (so sex ed is a thing for that reason).
But I have a hard time believing companies about anything, and I give them little benefit of doubt.
When you put it like that: Age verification, checking the nudes of minors using code gained from Arceus knows what, it does sound a bit...unreasonable.
The idea is good but even with ai measures minors can easily fake an ai face id verification. I don't think it's possible to prevent 100% of cases.
But hopefully if this actual results in the ai tech improving at preventing a over whelming majority of kids faking their ages it would be extremely rare. If not.. the amount of fines tech companies might risk facing could potentially bankrupt them if too many kept sneeking past the ai and the gov acted against Google for that. the fines for that type of content isn't usually a small matter.
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