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[–] 75 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Also, it's still Chromium, meaning it can be affected by Google's decisions.

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  • [–] 70 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    Why would I use something other than firefox?

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Well, I would recommend waterfox over firefox because waterfox has just straight up removed any AI stuff rather than giving you the option to opt out of it.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like a lot more work than just opting out

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    ~ish, waterfox is reconfigured firefox. They have a single button sync on first launch to clone your firefox data over, it took me like 60 seconds to swap everything over. And you get a lot more than just removing AI from firefox, it's essentially a preconfigured firefox. Removes a lot of telemetry and analytic stuff, strict-enforces better security protocols, prettier layout and stuff.

    It doesn't really buy you any new functionality, but it's way quicker to just use waterfox than it is to spend hours configuring the weird shit like private DNS in firefox.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I agree, but also Waterfox just generally has a more free/unmonitozed default and the AI stuff is just an example. It's a one-time switch to Waterfox and it' will forever turn off/on the stuff that you would otherwise have to do manually.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    because Mozilla insists on sucking major ass? idk

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Mozilla sucks more ass than Google in your opinion?

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  • [+] -12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You can maybe try Ladybird (most websites is kinds usable now I guess)

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It’s not even in alpha release yet

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ohh yes, obviously not in the condition to daily drive, and you need to compile from source.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    the lead developer for ladybird had a controversy regarding transphobia though

    while checking to see if anything happened regarding the controversy, i found that the same person that claimed that suggesting using gender neutral pronouns instead of assuming the reader was a man was advertising personal politics, the lead developer for ladybird, also complained about white men being actively discriminated against in tech and said he hopes "many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists." regarding the death of Charlie Kirk

    i was going to link sources for everything here, but this article has all of them already and its easier to have a single link

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  • [–] 117 points 5 months ago (13 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    There is a specific reason why you prefer horizontal tabs? If the problem is space: there are many way to fix this, if not, then you are better off using another browser, many Zen features are made around the vertical tabs

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I don’t usually take the software creator’s ideology into account if it works well on my computer. However, I stopped using Brave when I found out that it’s a company funded by Peter Thiel, the founder of Palantir and one of the most toxic investors around today. The combination of Brendan Eich and Peter Thiel has now pushed me past the point where I can separate software from its creator’s ideology.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I don’t think “toxic” covers the kind of evil Peter Thiel.

    An actor with mildly spicy views on stuff is “toxic”.

    Thiel bought a fucking Vice President and got him to do a 180 on his views on Trump.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago*

    This is the guy that Epstein sent an email to saying:

    "Finding things on their way to collapse, was much easier than finding the next bargain."

    3 days before Brexit vote. Peter Thiel is named over 2,200 times in the Epstein files, confirming their extensive correspondence.

    And Thiel did nothing but sabotage society for finding the next bargain. He's a caricature super villain from James Bond, that should be at the bottom of a volcano somewhere not funding web browsers.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Brave Browser: "Privacy Forward"

    Funded by Peter Thiel of Palantir, the most un-privacy corporation that ever pravacied.

    That math ain't mathing for me.

    As others mentioned, Thiel is basically a cartoon supervillain. There's definitely something more sinister at play that he's trying to accomplish with this "privacy forward" web browser. Not sure exactly what it is, but I don't trust it for a fucking second.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Team Librewolf reporting in.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Librewolf logouts from all websites and also dark mode settings is reverted once i quit the program and re run. Is it how it is supposed to be?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Librewolf by default deletes all cookies when you close it. So that will log you out of every website, but that also makes sure things like tracking cookies don't hang around.

    You can tweak those settings if you want.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a "delete all cookies and session data after closing the program" type of setting.
    Maybe try to look at your settings :)

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago

    Brave has ran a bunch of youtube ads. Like raid shadow legends style. That's how I know it's a shit browser

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's good that OG directly linked to the toot but I always hate when dates are cutoff. This toot is from 2024 when Google started introducing manifest v3 which prevented ublock origin from working, hence many people were looking for alternative browsers and Brave was one of the more popular ones. While I would not recommend Brave, I've heard the crypto rewarding program is opt-in and the affiliate link injection was removed soon after getting backlash.

    Brendan Eich is still an ass though, and Brave has very bad business practices. Only recently Brave announced a 60$ (free on Linux though) minimalist variant that removes unwanted features like the crypto rewarding program, Brave VPN and AI chatbot which are built-in for the default browser variant.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm a big fan of the duckduckgo browser. Love me the burn-all-the-cookies-and-history bonfire button that make it great as a default browser and I click random links more confidently now that it's my go-to.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    If you are on Android, just know it has much weaker security because it is a webview browser with no per-site process isolation. WebView browsers are just reskinned weaker Chromium. Also, of your devices is no longer receiving updates, your webview (built in to the OS) may be very out of date, and Browsers are the most exploited platform.

    If you are on iOS, it is just reskinned Safari (WebKit). If you are on desktop, it should be fine (just still chromium).

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Librewolf and you’re done, just look at the settings a bit if you need a website to remember stuff. That’s it, your search is concluded.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I stopped using Brave for Peter Thiel reasons. Using Librespped, Mullvad browser, Zen browser and Helium. Helium isn't fully finished, but looking amazing. I like options

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Shocking number of people under-informed about browsers here.

    Brave just released a $60 paid (except on Linux Desktop) version without bloat. It worked barely OK in the first place, but didn't obfuscate all of your browser fingerprint. It spoofed fonts, that was its major innovation.

    Only Tor truly anonymizes web traffic. This is not opinion, this is fact.

    LibreWolf, Mullvad, and hardened FF help, but they all give their own fingerprints. As does Vivaldi and Floorp.

    Personally, I cycle through all 7 of these. Only things tied to my name on stock FF. Everything else gets its own different browser private mode and VPN location.

    Use whatever you want, but understand that unless you're on Tor or spreading your risk across multiple tools, it's trivial for Google to triangulate you across the web.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks. Very good comment, I agree.. And yet...

    Ironically, not being on what most people are using (stock Chrome without extensions) is already a fingerprint. And tor browser, even if it is providing anonymity, is also a huge fingerprint on itself, by blocking all the fingerprinting stuff...

    The irony is lost the moment you come up with a proper threat model upon which you base the decisions of what security and privacy measures are going to be taken for a given online activity.

    I really liked (and used it for quite a while) that extension, Ad Nauseam, that would actually follow behind scenes all ads and shit...

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This is a bit like the "If you're not doing anything, you have nothing to hide" argument. You're thinking this is an all or nothing position, and it's very much not. It depends on one's threat model, but there's two sides to the coin worth considering.

    First, that your entire life is open to anyone with money. Individuals so motivated can spend a couple grand and buy your advertising data and stalk you. Everything you think, every little whim, every random question, is used to build a profile on you that benefits someone else financially. All you get is free email and a mediocre browser from a billion-dollar company that derives an average of $1,600 from you a year if you're in the US ? You can pay for those services for a tenth of that. So you're 90% profit to Google.

    On the flip side, by giving up so much high-value data, that profile becomes active in real time. Even if you use ad blockers and don't see the ads (which as a Chrome user, you no longer can do). You are an active target by companies. Not just you, everyone around you. Friends, family, coworkers. For some big ticket items, advertisers will target anyone connected to your profile. So your parents, your kids, your neighbors, might start to get ads about a cruise. Not for them, but for you, since it looks like you might be a good mark for a cruise. These companies manipulate people around you to be the ads, so that when you bring up "we're thinking about doing a cruise" at some point, everyone around you jumps in with the same "oh, well I've heard that XYZ Cruise company is good."

    You trust a company that much to manipulate you and everyone around you without bias? With your best interests in mind? You want to cede your agency as a human to real-time auctions?

    Personally, this is fundamentally abhorrent to me. And I understand that other people are fine with this. However, I'd rather leave a small and bland trail of a few occasional and useless crumbs, and then leave "redacted" as a middle finger because that deprives Google and Meta of using me as a revenue source. The nice part is that even partially masking your footprint and traffic, it's enough to break the real-time value of you as an individual. So not only does every little bit help, every little bit has effects to protect you and your family.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not super deep into this, i2p doesn't anonymize web traffic? What does it do then?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    i2p is a separate network entirely, and part of that is routing your traffic to someone else's connection. So your exit node is someone else's laptop or server. And you're letting other people doing who knows what else use your connection as an exit node. Which, for me, is an absolute deal breaker. I don't trust other people online to let them use my connection.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Just wanted to say thanks, this spurred me to swap over to Zen until I hear how that one is also terrible for me however far down the road.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    If you don't use Firefox (or webkit) you want Google to control the entire web. Simple as that.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Firefox depends on google for funding and failed massively when they tried to go without them for funding. Google already controls the web.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
    1. webkit exists
    2. you're implying specifically firefox.
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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    And now you can pay $60 to get less of their features!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    BTW if you want to free yourself from Brendan Eich completely, you can't. he made Javascript.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Haven't seen much talk about Zen on Lemmy, i think i'm gonna try that when i have more time since it seems like the most radically different browser ever

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’ve been using Zen for about 3 months after using Floorp for about the same. I prefer Zen because it’s different and the workflow just feels better.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

    The unfortunate truth is that on iOS it's the only acceptable browser option since it is by far the best at adblocking.

    But you have to deactivate all the crypto stuff

    Anyone with alternatives welcome (except Safari)

    Edit: Went on a quick search to find another browser. It is just not possible on iOS. I don't want to download 2 apps and configure a dns just to not see ads ffs.

    Edit 2: DDG Browser (iOS) has added the ability to block ads on YouTube (2 June 2026) and has a good ad blocker in general it seems. If anyone is reading this and is using iOS you should give ddg a try.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    on iOS

    there's your problem! My android phone needs repairs and I'm using my old iPhone in the interim, which is several months bc I don't have a lot of disposable phone repair money rn, and my GOD the amount of ads and downright unhappiness I'm dealing with right now that I'd forgotten about thanks to android. No thanks to Google, obv, but Fdroid and the lovely FLOSS software that just isn't available on iOS. Even my Syncthing is half broken because Mobius sync caps you to only sharing a couple MiB without paying!

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    Unfortunately no adblocking

    Edit: this comes two days later and after using DDG's browser app on iOS the adblocking is nowhere near as effective as brave's adblocking and when playing videos the phone heats up a lot and it drains the battery way more. So unfortunately I may switch back to Brave.

    You can say what you want and you can downvote me into oblivion. Brave's adblock (on iOS) is leagues ahead of the competition. All while not tanking your battery.

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    Well, after a search, it turns out that as of June 2 2026 you can block ads on YT with ddg. It still serves you some Microslop ads though the search. Also it seems pretty strong at ad blocking.

    I will start using that from now on and and see how it goes.

    Edit: You'll have to forgive my bluntness it was a recent change I was not aware of it. Also the Videos can be played in PiP Mode which is really cool. I am finally free from Brave Thank You

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    In the early days, ddg's browser used to block YouTube ads direct. But now it only blocks ads through the duckplayer.

    An interesting thing about ddg is it does stop websites seeing how much battery you have. I don't know why this is useful, I just thought it was a fun fact.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's actually really cool, websites can deduce the model of your phone by how quickly or slowly it drains (of course not on it's own but it helps for fingerprinting)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yeah. I stopped using it when I heard about the bigotry. Fuck that. Easily replaceable garbage browser.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Vivaldi is my favourite Chromium browser, if I have to/want to not use Firefox European based software is becoming as important as foss to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Brave is the default in Zorin OS, for some reason.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Zorin is a piece of shit thats only reason of relevance is that a bunch of sloptubers jumped on the „LiNuX iS uSeR fRiEnDlY now????” train. There is nothing to learn from Zorin except that you could sell 80% of humanity an overpriced and underperforming product by marketing everything but their product as overly complicated and only for nerds

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    Its the most sub average you can get.

    It works, but the package maintenance is sub par, with some apps being years old, the ui does not allow a user to have more advanced options, like the updates executable just being a loading bar instead of something fully featured like KDE discover, etc

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I test drove it for a couple days and it worked well enough for a noob. I don't think it's intended for advanced level use.

    I'm checking out Linux Lite next—my laptop is ancient lol

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